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09-02-2019, 05:32 AM

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Just my $.02 but i think the fact that younger players don't know or care about classic cues is the big reason for this. They want new, hi-tech stuff and couldn't care less about a "Josszambalaprewitt". They look at them as old, hi-deflection antiques.

More supply, less demand. Prices have to drop


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09-02-2019, 05:39 AM

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More supply, less demand. Prices have to drop
How do you figure more supply? A lot of the so-called classics were made by people either retired or dead. If you go to tournaments today you see a bunch of Predators and various other production cues. I think the true classics will always be expensive but as that market ages(and dies) very few will have interest in them. I know some really top players that look at classic cues as complete dinosaurs.
  
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09-02-2019, 05:58 AM

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How do you figure more supply? A lot of the so-called classics were made by people either retired or dead. If you go to tournaments today you see a bunch of Predators and various other production cues. I think the true classics will always be expensive but as that market ages(and dies) very few will have interest in them. I know some really top players that look at classic cues as complete dinosaurs.

I meant, more cues are made every day in whatever style you want. Production, dozens more "cuemakers" popping up every year, true custom shops.

Fewer people that care about these cues, let alone that the volume is increasing dramatically.

It's not a good recipe for investing, and everyone who uses the phrase "investing in cues" as anything but a perjorative has an agenda.


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09-02-2019, 06:16 PM

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I meant, more cues are made every day in whatever style you want. Production, dozens more "cuemakers" popping up every year, true custom shops.

Fewer people that care about these cues, let alone that the volume is increasing dramatically.

It's not a good recipe for investing, and everyone who uses the phrase "investing in cues" as anything but a perjorative has an agenda.
As for investing, unfortunately you're right. Millennials have less and less interest collecting anything. That time has come and gone...for now. But history has shown excellence is eventually sought after.

I think it's up to those who know and get it, to share their knowkedge, desires and why. It's hard for some though because so many who do "know" won't because it'll create an awareness and competition that could possibly derail their own conquest.


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09-02-2019, 06:50 PM

Irony...a similar question pops up on car guy forums I visit.

My advice, buy what you like. Even if the market goes south, which it often does, you'll have something you enjoy. To predict future prices is a fool's errand.

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09-02-2019, 08:52 PM

I want shed of everything...but it never works. I sell three and get two, sell four and get one. When I get to zero im done for sure. Most everything of any consequence I have owned is gone. The massive amount of people putting cues together has effected every facet of the process. It snowballs upward, everything effects the top. There will always be a select few that buy and never touch them again, just stick them in a case and hope they never warp so their heirs aren't stuck with a bunch of vastly over priced looky-cues.

The only way to make any money or consider something an investment is to buy dirt cheap and sell lower than market value.


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09-02-2019, 10:48 PM

Garzar they are not old high deflection antiques. You can put any of the new technology shafts on any of them. Demand may go down some but there will always be a demand for the true top shelf makers.
  
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09-02-2019, 11:01 PM

I wouldn't buy a cue based on appreciation factor. I'd only buy what I wanted to play with and enjoy. Having said that, there is no cost to put your name on the list for 2 new South West cues per year. You might have to wait 14 or 15 years but those who have done so have been handsomely rewarded.
  
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09-03-2019, 06:23 AM

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Garzar they are not old high deflection antiques. You can put any of the new technology shafts on any of them. Demand may go down some but there will always be a demand for the true top shelf makers.
I know that. I'm just saying that if you go to almost any major event these days you rarely see the old classics. Lots of production stuff, LD shafts of all types. Current generation and next generation of players have almost zero interest in the old-school stuff. The butt to them is just a shaft holder. Inlays, veneers and all the other goodies don't even register to a lot of players.
  
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09-03-2019, 06:35 AM

My schon has tripled in value, want to buy it?

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09-03-2019, 08:59 AM

My $.02... as stated before, buy what you like.. Me? I like
TAD, Gus Szamboti, Tim Scruggs, Tascarella. The
"investment" part doesn't figure into it.. those are the
cues with the hit I like.

If you have a desirable cue or case for sale, it'll sell to
someone that likes owning the classics. Every time I
see a nice It's George 1x2 case for sale, it's sold in
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09-03-2019, 11:39 AM

Thanks for all of the input. I definitely agree with "shooting/buying what you like and ignore the value". I have been with the same cue for almost 20 years and have owned various cue's (southwest, black boar, dishaw, hearn, predator,viatorre, etc.).
I have been on a pool hiatus for 2 years and i rechecked how much my southwest cue is worth; and it blew my mind how much the resale asking price for a southwest has gone up.
  
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09-05-2019, 12:11 PM

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Why? So many are being resold at a loss on fb now.
I know, I was pointing out the juxtaposition. I actually can't imagine the collector cue market doing very well right now. Forget what people say, only an OPEN auction tells you whats what.
  
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09-05-2019, 06:28 PM

The old Schon cues (Runde era) have gone up in value. My $350 R12 is easily worth over $1000. This took over 30yrs; so real estate, old cars and stock would have a better ROI if that is what you are looking for.

I like knowing that I've had a lot of enjoyment from every cue I've owned with no loss in value.

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