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11-08-2018, 09:27 AM

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I think that close-up photos can be deceiving, as I still believe that the OP's cloth is upside-down. And here is why:

The OP's cloth has been installed for a year, so most of the fuzziness would have been worn away by now. Also keep in mind, the OP's cloth is currently installed, so it is under tension. If you look at the first picture that he showed, you can see a well defined thread weave pattern in his cloth. It looks like straight channels in the cloth. Simonis only looks like that from the backside. When installed correctly, you have to look very carefully to see the weave, as the surface is quite smooth. The surface of the OP's cloth does not look as smooth as it should. Hence the comments about the "blue jean table".

I could be wrong, but that's my take anyway.. Reminds me of the first Gold Crown that I ever bought.. That had Simonis Green 860 installed upside-down. It was a turd.
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11-08-2018, 11:20 AM

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Jack! Good to hear from ya!

I think that close-up photos can be deceiving, as I still believe that the OP's cloth is upside-down. And here is why:

The OP's cloth has been installed for a year, so most of the fuzziness would have been worn away by now. Also keep in mind, the OP's cloth is currently installed, so it is under tension. If you look at the first picture that he showed, you can see a well defined thread weave pattern in his cloth. It looks like straight channels in the cloth. Simonis only looks like that from the backside. When installed correctly, you have to look very carefully to see the weave, as the surface is quite smooth. The surface of the OP's cloth does not look as smooth as it should. Hence the comments about the "blue jean table".

I could be wrong, but that's my take anyway.. Reminds me of the first Gold Crown that I ever bought.. That had Simonis Green 860 installed upside-down. It was a turd.
After re-reading the original post, if it's been roughly a year since being installed, I think it's a little late for the client to expect the installer to reimburse for anything other than perhaps the free labor to flip the cloth over,
if it is indeed confirmed to have been installed upside down.

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11-08-2018, 11:23 AM

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After re-reading the original post, if it's been roughly a year since being installed, I think it's a little late for the client to expect the installer to reimburse for anything other than perhaps the free labor to flip the cloth over, if it is indeed confirmed to have been installed upside down.
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11-08-2018, 12:03 PM

install a dehumidifier, my son had the same problem with his cloth and voila. This has been an exceptionally year for humidity.
  
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11-09-2018, 08:14 AM

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After re-reading the original post, if it's been roughly a year since being installed, I think it's a little late for the client to expect the installer to reimburse for anything other than perhaps the free labor to flip the cloth over,
if it is indeed confirmed to have been installed upside down.
Why, is there a statute of limitations on incompetence? He should re-do the job, with new cloth, and do it quickly. This is down right embarrassing for a professional to get this wrong.

It was his fault and he should make it right, whether or not it was 1 day or 1 year.


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11-09-2018, 09:21 AM

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Why, is there a statute of limitations on incompetence? He should re-do the job, with new cloth, and do it quickly. This is down right embarrassing for a professional to get this wrong.

It was his fault and he should make it right, whether or not it was 1 day or 1 year.
There shouldn't be.
And that mech should jump on the opportunity to make a friend by redoing his own work and helping his customer .
And he should jump on it so he'd learn and be better at his trade .
It's not like it's going to take him weeks in fixing that table .
It'll take him one off night .
  
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11-09-2018, 08:56 PM

Sorry I haven't commented back in a couple of days as I've been busy with work.

I understand completely that its been a year and am not at all looking for any reimbursement nor do I want to publicly bash the installers as they were professional and courteous during the install. If it is upside down (could've possibly just been human error?), I would have someone reinstall it correctly, if its installed correctly, I'm not sure what I will do. I have indeed tried to cut some excess cloth from underneath the table or around the pockets but the installers did such a neat trim job around with a razor that there is hardly any excess. Sorry for the poor quality, I will try to snap a couple of better photos. Thank you everyone for the responses. I will almost be relieved if its upside down as I can have someone just flip it and solve the problem.
  
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11-09-2018, 09:20 PM

here are some updated photos that may be better, one has the flash on so it looks bluer. If its installed correct, i just don't want to invest money in a new cloth if I'm going to get the same results. I've also noticed that this cloth feels (when you physically run your hand on it) starched or stiff (kind of like when you buy a new dress shirt) whereas other tables feel more delicate silky and smooth, I've just assumed that it felt like that because it was new and lightly played on?
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11-09-2018, 09:44 PM

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here are some updated photos that may be better, one has the flash on so it looks bluer. If its installed correct, i just don't want to invest money in a new cloth if I'm going to get the same results. I've also noticed that this cloth feels (when you physically run your hand on it) starched or stiff (kind of like when you buy a new dress shirt) whereas other tables feel more delicate silky and smooth, I've just assumed that it felt like that because it was new and lightly played on?
I'll be damned if half your pictures look right and half don't. Maybe it was installed only halfway upside down!


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11-09-2018, 10:03 PM

lol I'm telling you its crazy
  
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11-10-2018, 06:09 AM

Based on your latest photos, particularly the one looking down on the corner pocket with the 10-ball in the pocket, it looks to me like it was installed with the correct side up. To confirm, did you
not see any Iwan Simonis stamps on the underside of any of the rails cloths? Just my first observation - the clean and neat tuck and staple job shown around this corner pocket sure looks like
an experienced professional table mechanic / installer job to me.

Also, when you stated in your original post that your table plays slower than your Dad's table with newly covered worsted cloth of a different manufacturer, keep in mind there are plenty of faster
playing worsted cloths out there than Simonis 860, such as Gorina/Granito 2000 and Andy Pro cloth, just to name a few.

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11-10-2018, 07:00 AM

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here are some updated photos that may be better, one has the flash on so it looks bluer. If its installed correct, i just don't want to invest money in a new cloth if I'm going to get the same results. I've also noticed that this cloth feels (when you physically run your hand on it) starched or stiff (kind of like when you buy a new dress shirt) whereas other tables feel more delicate silky and smooth, I've just assumed that it felt like that because it was new and lightly played on?
Second photo down, looks like you can see the nap on the inside of the pocket shelf....was the whole table like this when it was freshly installed?
Simonis should feel slick and smooth when brand new....zero nap.

Also of brandsh98 and realkingcobra are telling you the same thing, odds are pretty good it is true.

You might want to contact the installer just to let him know in case he's done any other tables in the past year. He might have a few calls to make.
  
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11-10-2018, 08:16 AM

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Based on your latest photos, particularly the one looking down on the corner pocket with the 10-ball in the pocket, it looks to me like it was installed with the correct side up.
The cloth under the rail and half a ball width from the rail into the playing surface should look like the original installation.

That picture with the 10-ball has me a bit puzzled as to what we are looking at. Some cloth looks worn and some of it looks new. But the newer looking cloth looks to be bigger than the 10-ball and seems to run halfway into the arc of the pocket. .
  
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11-10-2018, 08:37 AM

The pic where the cloth looks blue my flash was on. The top pic was very closeup under my light in the center of table. Iíll try to snap a couple more this afternoon.
  
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11-10-2018, 09:04 AM

Two experts have told you to shine a black light on it and see if you can read the serial number on the cloth. This is what you need to do if you want to stop the merry go round of speculation of whether it's installed right side up.

If you want to know if it's just installed too loosely push down on it with your fingers out in the "kitchen" and pull it toward you and try to pull a wrinkle into it out there on the bed. If you are able to do this then it's too loose and you can probably just take the rails off and restretch it.

If all else fails you can take off the hideous colored cloth and replace it with something else.

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