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10-03-2018, 02:08 AM

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After what Alex did to Justin on his home court, I'd have a hard time betting against him. It seems like every time he matches up with a top player he finds a way to get the cash. Alex, Dennis and Francisco are all winners in my book.

The only guy Alex doesn't want to play is Dennis, interestingly enough. It's pretty much a case of mutual respect, but if the money was right Dennis would be there like a bear. Trust me, they have played in the Philippines (Ten Ball and Rotation) and Alex didn't like it. Dennis is still the money game King of the Philippines! None of these three really bar anybody, except each other. They will play cheap sets though (a few hundred dollars) just to stay in stroke.

That said, no one wants to go to Taiwan and match up and I mean NO ONE! Not even the Filipinos. As Dennis said, "There are too many good players over there!" Taiwan is a lot closer than the USA, but you won't see the Filipinos flying that way for action! They like the easy pickings over here by comparison.

I would love to see Shane and Dennis play a $5-10,000 set of ten ball out of their own pocket. Thatís far more impressive than getting backed. I think Shane robs him easily playing 10 ahead for any amount out of your own pocket. Bergman as well robs Dennis betting his own. Not impressed with top players playing with others money. No pressure just a free roll. Iíd rather see $1000 sets nonstop than these huge sets with a community fronting the money.


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10-03-2018, 02:22 AM

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I would love to see Shane and Dennis play a $5-10,000 set of ten ball out of their own pocket. Thatís far more impressive than getting backed. I think Shane robs him easily playing 10 ahead for any amount out of your own pocket. Bergman as well robs Dennis betting his own. Not impressed with top players playing with others money. No pressure just a free roll. Iíd rather see $1000 sets nonstop than these huge sets with a community fronting the money.
I'd love to see that matchup with Bergman also, you and I can bet the same amount.
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10-03-2018, 03:50 AM

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I would love to see Shane and Dennis play a $5-10,000 set of ten ball out of their own pocket. Thatís far more impressive than getting backed. I think Shane robs him easily playing 10 ahead for any amount out of your own pocket. Bergman as well robs Dennis betting his own. Not impressed with top players playing with others money. No pressure just a free roll. Iíd rather see $1000 sets nonstop than these huge sets with a community fronting the money.
Do you really think the worlds best players would play any different just because they are betting a few 1000 of their own money
  
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10-03-2018, 05:40 AM

I love watching T-Rex play one hole. Top 3 favorite movers. T-Rex has gamble for sure, but lord what an uphill battle against Alex.
  
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10-03-2018, 05:44 AM

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Do you really think the worlds best players would play any different just because they are betting a few 1000 of their own money
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10-03-2018, 06:05 AM

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I would love to see Shane and Dennis play a $5-10,000 set of ten ball out of their own pocket. Thatís far more impressive than getting backed. I think Shane robs him easily playing 10 ahead for any amount out of your own pocket. Bergman as well robs Dennis betting his own. Not impressed with top players playing with others money. No pressure just a free roll. Iíd rather see $1000 sets nonstop than these huge sets with a community fronting the money.
Dennis has bet his own more times than you can imagine, sometimes for thousands per game! He is on Shane's short list of guys to avoid and as for Justin B. that's another match that will never happen for obvious reasons.


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Dennis has bet his own more times than you can imagine, sometimes for thousands per game! He is on Shane's short list of guys to avoid and as for Justin B. that's another match that will never happen for obvious reasons.
Are Bergman and Shane close friends?
  
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Are Bergman and Shane close friends?
No, but Dennis and Justin are.


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10-03-2018, 06:47 AM

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Are Bergman and Shane close friends?
Justin and SVB match is in the works now and might happen soon

Justin made post not long ago asking for action.

Justin said he would play SVB or anybody else.

Shane was one of the only players that responded and said he would play.

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Justin and SVB match is in the works now and might happen soon

Justin made post not long ago asking for action.

Justin said he would play SVB or anybody else.

Shane was one of the only players that responded and said he would play.

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I would love to see Shane and Dennis play a $5-10,000 set of ten ball out of their own pocket. Thatís far more impressive than getting backed. I think Shane robs him easily playing 10 ahead for any amount out of your own pocket. Bergman as well robs Dennis betting his own. Not impressed with top players playing with others money. No pressure just a free roll. Iíd rather see $1000 sets nonstop than these huge sets with a community fronting the money.
Robs him?????????
That's a very strong term, my friend.
I'd say SVB is about a 10% favorite....but ROBBING Dennis is not a wise thing to be thinking.
And there's plenty of pressure. No player wants to lose his backer(s) because he dogged it.
  
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10-03-2018, 11:40 AM

Jay, I would like your opinion. I can understand why the Taiwanese are so good, as they have a national team and training routine. Why are the Philipinos so outstanding? Is it just the conditions they play, or do they have a practice regiment that gives them an edge? Sorry if this is hijacking the thread.
  
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10-03-2018, 11:56 AM

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Jay, I would like your opinion. I can understand why the Taiwanese are so good, as they have a national team and training routine. Why are the Philipinos so outstanding? Is it just the conditions they play, or do they have a practice regiment that gives them an edge? Sorry if this is hijacking the thread.
You cant say it is one thing.

Exposure to greatness, ego, need, desires to have some things and to avoid others, etc...

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Smile Like I said.... - 10-04-2018, 02:16 AM

I look at many of the Pinoys as being pool hustlers, not like in the movies, but more refined.

So who is the best One Pocket player, Alex or Dennis. I doubt we will ever know. One thing I do know is the Pinoys are clannish, they are loyal to each other, it is the world of pool against them!

Why are the Pinoys so good. It is not like they have and opportunity for a bunch of high paying jobs in the PI and they are not going to make it in the NBA or NFL and only a few hit the big time in boxing, but I believe they have proven to be ferocious fighters when pissed off!

So for some pool is and opportunity to make money and they are hungry. Pro boxing in the U.S. is dominated by "minorities" who are hungry, they see a chance at fame and fortune and go for it.

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10-04-2018, 04:19 AM

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I look at many of the Pinoys as being pool hustlers, not like in the movies, but more refined.

So who is the best One Pocket player, Alex or Dennis. I doubt we will ever know. One thing I do know is the Pinoys are clannish, they are loyal to each other, it is the world of pool against them!

Why are the Pinoys so good. It is not like they have and opportunity for a bunch of high paying jobs in the PI and they are not going to make it in the NBA or NFL and only a few hit the big time in boxing, but I believe hey have proven to be ferocious fighters when pissed off!

So for some pool is and opportunity to make money and they are hungry. Pro boxing in the U.S. is dominated by "minorities" who are hungry, they see a chance at fame and fortune and go for it.
This is closer to the truth. Pool is a way to escape the crushing poverty that so many suffer in the Philippines. Although a few of the top players (Parica and Lee Vann to name two) come from better homes, the great majority of the top Pinoy players started out dirt poor. The story of Efren is a well known one in the Philippines, a poor kid who became rich and famous because of his ability to play pool well.

In the poolrooms over there if you lose you may literally be sleeping on the street, or at least in a corner of the poolroom. One thing they learn from an early age is to help each other out when one of them makes a score, even a small one. A player who forgets this will soon be ostracized by his countrymen.


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