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11-06-2018, 11:59 PM

The only thing that is going to straighten pool out in my opinion is to create a total separation between the top 256 Pro players in the world from the rest of the pack, and support those players in representing this sport, as a way of bringing organized tournaments, with recognizable repeat players that sponsors would like to advertise during their events, and not be embarrassed in doing so.

Golf Player Demographic Statistics
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Total number of golfers in the U.S. 29,000,000
Percent of the U.S. population who play golf 9.6 %
Percent of golfers who are male 77.5 %
Percent of golfers who are female 22.5 %
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Pool could take a lesson from golf!!!

Only the top 125 players, as ranked by tournament winnings, get to keep their magic “tour card,” which allows them to enter any of the PGA Tour's official events. This is the preeminent men's golf tour in the U.S.—and arguably the world.Feb 8, 2012
  
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11-07-2018, 12:29 AM

John Schmidt was not even known outside of California when he won the US Open .
I remember Oscar playing in the Bike Open in 2003. He was not a ranked pro. He got on the money. It was his first major tournament cash-out . I know who sponsored him. He wanted to give the money back to his sponsor . The entree fee wasn't cheap.

Hohmann was a nobody when he won the world 9-ball. His odds in winning was some 200 to 1.
Let's even go back to Efren. Nobody knew him when he won his first tournament at Red's.

Preventing others to enter AND PAY ENTREE fees to pro-tournaments is counter-productive . Nobody goes to the US OPen and pay $500 to get in is getting a favor .
  
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11-07-2018, 12:39 AM

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John Schmidt was not even known outside of California when he won the US Open .
I remember Oscar playing in the Bike Open in 2003. He was not a ranked pro. He got on the money. It was his first major tournament cash-out . I know who sponsored him. He wanted to give the money back to his sponsor . The entree fee wasn't cheap.

Hohmann was a nobody when he won the world 9-ball. His odds in winning was some 200 to 1.
Let's even go back to Efren. Nobody knew him when he won his first tournament at Red's.

Preventing others to enter AND PAY ENTREE fees to pro-tournaments is counter-productive . Nobody goes to the US OPen and pay $500 to get in is getting a favor .
If that be the case, how come there's NO Pro Tour for professional pool players today then? Because there's NO sponsors? How come there's NO sponsors? Could it be because there's NO organized Professional Pool players to represent this sport, because they have to let ANYONE that pays an entry fee play right alongside the Pros?
  
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11-07-2018, 12:47 AM

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John Schmidt was not even known outside of California when he won the US Open .
I remember Oscar playing in the Bike Open in 2003. He was not a ranked pro. He got on the money. It was his first major tournament cash-out . I know who sponsored him. He wanted to give the money back to his sponsor . The entree fee wasn't cheap.

Hohmann was a nobody when he won the world 9-ball. His odds in winning was some 200 to 1.
Let's even go back to Efren. Nobody knew him when he won his first tournament at Red's.

Preventing others to enter AND PAY ENTREE fees to pro-tournaments is counter-productive . Nobody goes to the US OPen and pay $500 to get in is getting a favor .
29,000,000 play golf in this country alone, let alone all those golfers from the rest of the world....and yet, the golf world is represented by only 125 touring Pros....I wonder how it works for golf....how dare they NOT allow any golfer who wants to play with the pros....NOT be allowed to play!!!!
  
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11-07-2018, 12:55 AM

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If that be the case, how come there's NO Pro Tour for professional pool players today then? Because there's NO sponsors? How come there's NO sponsors? Could it be because there's NO organized Professional Pool players to represent this sport, because they have to let ANYONE that pays an entry fee play right alongside the Pros?
Because there is no pro-association.
PBT died because of Mackey.

What happened to Charlie Williams's pro-tour ?
Yup, not enough sponsors .
And you think the DONORS who enter tournaments and go 2 and out are the cause of the sponsors leaving ?
Why would they care if scrubs pay HUNDREDS of dollars to gain experience ?

There are no sponsors because the sponsors don't see pool players as a big market outside of pool products .

Watch a golf tournament on tv . What tv commercials do you see more often ?
NOT golf products . Mostly automobiles . That shows the great demographics of golf players AND scrubs . They can afford expensive cars .
The demographics of pool players ( sad to say ) ain't that great .
In the mid 90's I was at the Riviera watching Efren and company in the PBT World 8-Ball. My late friend and great cue maker, Judd Fuller , made a joke about the people in the first floor playing in smoke-filled rooms full of Valley bar boxes, " That's a lot of goat ropers". I just about died laughing.

Let's not even discuss there is no betting line at the casinos for pool tournaments these days . Some really smart pro players killed that eons ago.

No sports betting ? Your sports ain't much of a sport .
No corporate sponsorship ? You're on your own.

All that have nothing to do with scrubs donating entree money.
  
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11-07-2018, 12:56 AM

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29,000,000 play golf in this country alone, let alone all those golfers from the rest of the world....and yet, the golf world is represented by only 125 touring Pros....I wonder how it works for golf....how dare they NOT allow any golfer who wants to play with the pros....NOT be allowed to play!!!!
And how many hundreds of qualifying tournaments do they have ?

Pool ? None. The ladies don't even have the regionals anymore .
Their tour is dead . Died when ESPN pulled the plug .

29,000,000 PLAYERS??? There's your answer. There are 29 freaking million golf players . 29 million freaking players playing an expensive OUTDOOR sport .
  
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11-07-2018, 01:41 AM

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Because there is no pro-association.
PBT died because of Mackey.

What happened to Charlie Williams's pro-tour ?
Yup, not enough sponsors .
And you think the DONORS who enter tournaments and go 2 and out are the cause of the sponsors leaving ?
Why would they care if scrubs pay HUNDREDS of dollars to gain experience ?

There are no sponsors because the sponsors don't see pool players as a big market outside of pool products .

Watch a golf tournament on tv . What tv commercials do you see more often ?
NOT golf products . Mostly automobiles . That shows the great demographics of golf players AND scrubs . They can afford expensive cars .
The demographics of pool players ( sad to say ) ain't that great .
In the mid 90's I was at the Riviera watching Efren and company in the PBT World 8-Ball. My late friend and great cue maker, Judd Fuller , made a joke about the people in the first floor playing in smoke-filled rooms full of Valley bar boxes, " That's a lot of goat ropers". I just about died laughing.

Let's not even discuss there is no betting line at the casinos for pool tournaments these days . Some really smart pro players killed that eons ago.

No sports betting ? Your sports ain't much of a sport .
No corporate sponsorship ? You're on your own.

All that have nothing to do with scrubs donating entree money.
All a bullshit excuse for why 125 Pro Golfers represent the whole world of golf, there's NEVER been Pro player only tournaments that decided who the players were by ANY standard, so keep defending a broken system I stead of taking a stand and put the best in front of this sport to represent it.
  
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11-07-2018, 03:56 AM

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Yeah, I know, i haven't been doing anything for pool for the last 35 years!
I did not mean to bash your work. I like your work ethic and attitude when we talk about table maintenance.
I just wanted to correct your mistake because those guys witch i mentioned have been much for pool and need to be recognized.


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I remember when that started out as the Fatboy challenge, is the event still going?
You've been sniffing too much of that glue!
Roberto Gomez won this year over Fedor Gorst. It paid $16,000 for first, $8,000 for second and $4,000 each for third/fourth.


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11-07-2018, 07:04 AM

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29,000,000 play golf in this country alone, let alone all those golfers from the rest of the world....and yet, the golf world is represented by only 125 touring Pros....I wonder how it works for golf....how dare they NOT allow any golfer who wants to play with the pros....NOT be allowed to play!!!!
That's just the US PGA Tour. There are various pro tours worldwide. They all have their own qualification process. Do you know how many joe-blow off-the-street golfers could compete with a top125 player? NONE. Not even close. I love it when a scratch player thinks he could play on level terms with a touring pro. He's got ZERO chance. That's why they have qualification events and development tours. To keep delusional dreamer moron golfers at bay. BTW the US Open DOES allow anyone with a 2 or better handicap to try and qualify. A few make the cut occasionally but never even sniff the top 20 places. IF pro pool was to EVER have a chance they'd have to have some sort of qualification process to weed out all the DDM(delusional dreamer moron) pool players that think they have a shot beating SVB.

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That's just the US PGA Tour. There are various pro tours worldwide. They all have their own qualification process. Do you know how many joe-blow off-the-street golfers could compete with a top125 player? NONE. Not even close. I love it when a scratch player thinks he could play on level terms with a touring pro. He's got ZERO chance. That's why they have qualification events and development tours. To keep delusional dreamer moron golfers at bay. BTW the US Open DOES allow anyone with a 2 or better handicap to try and qualify. A few make the cut occasionally but never even sniff the top 20 places. IF pro pool was to EVER have a chance they'd have to have some sort of qualification process to weed out all the DDM(delusional dreamer moron) pool players that think they have a shot beating SVB.
My point exactly, so everyone needs to stop knocking me because I'm trying to do something about this broken system, if I fail in doing so, oh well, then I'll join the ranks of the failed systems, but at least I have a plan I'm working on for the Pro level, and excluding the rest.
  
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My point exactly, so everyone needs to stop knocking me because I'm trying to do something about this broken system, if I fail in doing so, oh well, then I'll join the ranks of the failed systems, but at least I have a plan I'm working on for the Pro level, and excluding the rest.
I think Barry Hearn and Matchroom might be the last shot at real pro pool in the states. He has the sponsors and the track record with him.
  
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I think Barry Hearn and Matchroom might be the last shot at real pro pool in the states. He has the sponsors and the track record with him.
Pool is still missing the most important thing of all, a dedicated event center with at least 64 9ft pool tables set up at all times, not tables rolled in and rolled out. An event center needs to be set up for live streaming at all times, and not open to the public like a pool room is. The only time the lights get turned on and the doors are opened....is when a Pro Tournament is scheduled to be live streamed to the viewers world wide. Viewers pay per event, or by monthly subscription. Those revenues are then collected and cycled back into the Pro Players event funds after expenditures are deducted, then there's a revolving sponsorship fund supported by the public...THEN you have your Pro Players events on a regular basis.
  
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Because there is no pro-association.
PBT died because of Mackey.

What happened to Charlie Williams's pro-tour ?
Yup, not enough sponsors .
And you think the DONORS who enter tournaments and go 2 and out are the cause of the sponsors leaving ?
Why would they care if scrubs pay HUNDREDS of dollars to gain experience ?

There are no sponsors because the sponsors don't see pool players as a big market outside of pool products .

Watch a golf tournament on tv . What tv commercials do you see more often ?
NOT golf products . Mostly automobiles . That shows the great demographics of golf players AND scrubs . They can afford expensive cars .
The demographics of pool players ( sad to say ) ain't that great .
In the mid 90's I was at the Riviera watching Efren and company in the PBT World 8-Ball. My late friend and great cue maker, Judd Fuller , made a joke about the people in the first floor playing in smoke-filled rooms full of Valley bar boxes, " That's a lot of goat ropers". I just about died laughing.

Let's not even discuss there is no betting line at the casinos for pool tournaments these days . Some really smart pro players killed that eons ago.

No sports betting ? Your sports ain't much of a sport .
No corporate sponsorship ? You're on your own.

All that have nothing to do with scrubs donating entree money.
Joey...29,000,000 golfers in the US

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