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11-08-2018, 09:03 AM

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I agree 100%. CJ was a regular contributor to this forum until the trolls finally chased him off. Too bad because then we could have asked him directly about this match.
I am sure CJ thinks he can win or he would not be playing.

Like most 10 ball matches this will come down to who is breaking better. CJ can run out most 10 ball racks (especially to the 7) where he has the first open shot.

He played Efren on a brutal table several months back and lost 15-12. That match could have easily gone the other way. Granted Efren doesn't play as well as Dennis these days, but they were playing even.
  
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11-08-2018, 10:02 AM

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CJ is a pro and get the 7? Are US pro way below the level of Asian pros? If a pro is getting that handicap then he should not be called a pro but semi or top level amatuer.
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11-08-2018, 10:06 AM

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CJ is a more of a long retired pro who still occasionally competes when the mood strikes him. As for whether the US pros are that far below the Asian pros the answer is many are and some aren't depending on exactly which US and Asian pros you are talking about, but on the whole the US is quite a bit behind on average if comparing to Taiwan, Philippines, and China (and also a good bit behind Europe too for that matter).
Ah ok. So this CJ Wiley was a pro during the time of Reyes? I am not belittling CJ, if he was a pro during Reyes time then he must be good duing those times. I just thought that he is a pro touring at Dennis generation. Good luck to CJ, Dennis is toxic to anybody. CJ must have a very good immune system to detoxify Dennis.


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11-08-2018, 10:09 AM

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CJ gets my respect for stepping into the box.
Going to have to tune in for sure.
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11-08-2018, 10:18 AM

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Fine line between heart and Delusions of Grandeur.
I was thinking this too.

I would be willing to bet that CJ isn't playing on his money.

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Not Hurting - 11-08-2018, 10:23 AM

Obviously, CJ is not the favorite here. However, even if CJ is putting up $5K
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11-08-2018, 10:30 AM

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11-08-2018, 10:41 AM

At one time about twenty years ago, CJ was one of the best 9-Ball players on Earth. I can remember him chasing Efren all over the country and playing for high stakes. CJ got the best of it too. Say what you want, but CJ is a thoroughbred pool player. True, he has preoccupied himself the last 15-20 years with his business interests, but that doesn't mean he's forgotten how to play 9-Ball.

I expect to see a good match and I agree the seven ball may not be much of a spot for Dennis to give up. Although CJ has started playing in regional events in the last year or so, he's been pretty much out of the competitive loop with the best players. For that reason I still have to make Dennis the favorite to win this match, especially if there are no prior 'deals' made on how the money will be split. If the 5k is really on the line, I like Dennis all the way.


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11-08-2018, 10:43 AM

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I was thinking this too.

I would be willing to bet that CJ isn't playing on his money.

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Are you kidding me. CJ is definitely playing with his on money. If anyone is not playing with their on money it's DO
  
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11-08-2018, 10:47 AM

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Are you kidding me. CJ is definitely playing with his on money. If anyone is not playing with their on money it's DO
You know that for a fact that CJ is bettin' his own $$? I predict both sides of this are getting staked. I'm going down to sweat it.
  
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11-08-2018, 10:54 AM

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I am sure CJ thinks he can win or he would not be playing.

Like most 10 ball matches this will come down to who is breaking better. CJ can run out most 10 ball racks (especially to the 7) where he has the first open shot.

He played Efren on a brutal table several months back and lost 15-12. That match could have easily gone the other way. Granted Efren doesn't play as well as Dennis these days, but they were playing even.
CJ might want to bring an actual break cue this time. Breaking with his playing cue won't cut it against Dennis.


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11-08-2018, 11:16 AM

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Are you kidding me. CJ is definitely playing with his on money. If anyone is not playing with their on money it's DO
Don't be so sure about that. Dennis has no qualms about betting his own if he has it. Of course he did get staked in the big games he played during the last year or so (50-100K). But I've seen Dennis take all his winnings from a tournament and immediately put it on the line in a gambling match. I'm fairly certain his expenses are being paid to come down there and he probably gets a cut from the gate as a guarantee.


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11-08-2018, 11:33 AM

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Exactly. CJ has Fargorate of 712 while DO has Fargorate of 815. In race to 13 the predicted score is 13:8 in DO`s favor and odds of CJ actually winning such a race are 3,7%. ...
I think your odds are slightly odd. A 100-point difference in ratings means their scoring rate is in a ratio close to 2:1. The means that the match should end up around 13:6.5. Perhaps you mistyped 6 as 8. Your 3.7% number is correct.

The 7 ball spot is hard to factor in, mathematically. If the typical run lengths for each player were known, it could be estimated. As mentioned above, if players run out from the first good shot most of the time, the 7 means little. If both players struggle to run three balls, the 7 is huge.


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11-08-2018, 11:52 AM

CJ essentially quit posting here about 3 years ago. Prior to that, he was playing in (and winning) many, many relatively small tournaments around Texas.

  • "I've won over 50 tournaments (4 in the last 6 days) so far this year, and my game is as effective as it's ever been.....mostly because my knowledge of techniques has advanced and is improving every day....in every way." [posted 5/6/2015]

Whether he has maintained that pace of play since then, I do not know. And, as Jay said, his competition in recent years has not consistently been with the top guys. I did watch his match with Efren back in June (Efren won 15-11, not 15-12), and agree that it could easily have gone the other way, with CJ in the lead at 10-9.

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CJ essentially quit posting here about 3 years ago. Prior to that, he was playing in (and winning) many, many relatively small tournaments around Texas.

  • "I've won over 50 tournaments (4 in the last 6 days) so far this year, and my game is as effective as it's ever been.....mostly because my knowledge of techniques has advanced and is improving every day....in every way." [posted 5/6/2015]

Whether he has maintained that pace of play since then, I do not know. And, as Jay said, his competition in recent years has not consistently been with the top guys. I did watch his match with Efren back in June (Efren won 15-11, not 15-12), and agree that it could easily have gone the other way, with CJ in the lead at 10-9.

Should be an interesting match with Orcollo!
I figured you would correct me if I was wrong. Ha. I went to bed before it was over.

He may not be the CJ of decades past but he can still run out easily and often.

I played him in the Texas Open several years ago. He had 5 break and runs over the last 6 games. Only one of those 6 he didnt run, he played safe after a successful break with no pocket for the one ball. I made a good hit but left a shot and he ran out.
  
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