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04-18-2019, 02:39 PM

This thread, the historic cue thread, and the block letter Joss thread are among my favorites.

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Just received from PFD Studios after being refinished. Enjoy the photos~!
Looks great. Actually, it looked pretty good before. But the refresh (and possibly a new shaft??) should set you up to start playing. Congratulations. Don't let it sit in a closet. Have fun with it.
  
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04-20-2019, 01:29 PM

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Looks great. Actually, it looked pretty good before. But the refresh (and possibly a new shaft??) should set you up to start playing. Congratulations. Don't let it sit in a closet. Have fun with it.
Thank you for your comments! No intentions on letting it sit, it is a shooter!

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04-27-2019, 07:53 AM

A few from ~1965 - ~1973. The cues witih gold wraps are original and unrestored.
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04-27-2019, 09:58 AM

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04-27-2019, 10:13 AM

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I love the (2) opposite Gold and Black cues.
Those are First Catalog Model 1s that came from Chris Tate. The wraps are original. Actually four of those cues came from Chris.


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Mr. Balner's Micrometer - 05-12-2019, 09:53 AM

Cues, Parts, & Mr. Balner's Micrometer -
According to Pete Balner, his father used this micrometer every day in the Palmer shop. It is a most important addition to my Palmer collection and I can not thank Peter Balner enough for transferring it to me.
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According to Pete Balner, his father used this micrometer every day in the Palmer shop. It is a most important addition to my Palmer collection and I can not thank Peter Balner enough for transferring it to me.
Very nice. That one on the right was on it's way to being a Model M, if not already.

Of all that acrylic, that copper colored piece is likely your most valuable. Hang onto it like grim death.

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Man, I'd love to have some of that blue acrylic.


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I have a 1st catalog #2 cue for sale in excellent condition. $1500 + shipping







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Palmer question - 07-12-2019, 09:23 AM

Love this thread, I dig these classic cues!! I'll try to keep this a short story, was playing last night and spotted this cue a couple of tables over, no wrap, dirty. Walked over and started talking to the guy and a few minutes later and a couple of $$ it was mine.
I'm pretty sure it's a second catalog model I. While reading Tate's website a little while ago it says "The Model I had beautiful long points with what would become the traditional Szamboti splice, ebony prongs with veneers of ebony, orange, chartreuse, and natual." I'm confused, does that mean it's a Szamboti forearm?
It's going to be a very cool cue when it refinished.
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Model I - 07-12-2019, 10:08 AM

Yes. That's a Model I. After a clean-up, refinish, and wrap it will be a stunning cue.
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07-13-2019, 06:59 AM

Thanks, that's a classy looking cue!!!


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07-15-2019, 10:15 AM

Stan,

First of all, Model i's are pretty rare and sought after. I've bought and sold a couple but they are not commonly seen for sale and are very desirable and
collectible, regardless of the blank source.

At the time this cue was made, 1960's to early 1970's, this was before imported forearms were used and Palmer had three main sources of ebony blanks:

1) Palmer shop made
2) Burton Spain
3) Gus Szamboti

They all look pretty similar in the finished product, but quite a bit different with the wrap off. The Spain and Palmer shop made used full splices. They are rarely
cut so short to where the veneers are cut where attached to the handle (no reason to cut them this short) . Gus Szamboti made his using a short splice technique, which
looks like this when attached to the handle. That plus the symmetry, this definitely looks like a Szamboti to me. Regardless, it's worth restoring this cue.

Also, during this time period, there was a time when Palmer used an epoxy finish. if the finish is original, it looks like epoxy to me, which is thicker than the typical
lacquer or enamel finishes and prone to yellowing and cracking over time. It needs to be carefully removed to reveal the beauty of the cue. This cue will be beautiful
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Stan,

First of all, Model i's are pretty rare and sought after. I've bought and sold a couple but they are not commonly seen for sale and are very desirable and
collectible, regardless of the blank source.

At the time this cue was made, 1960's to early 1970's, this was before imported forearms were used and Palmer had three main sources of ebony blanks:

1) Palmer shop made
2) Burton Spain
3) Gus Szamboti

They all look pretty similar in the finished product, but quite a bit different with the wrap off. The Spain and Palmer shop made used full splices. They are rarely
cut so short to where the veneers are cut where attached to the handle (no reason to cut them this short) . Gus Szamboti made his using a short splice technique, which
looks like this when attached to the handle. That plus the symmetry, this definitely looks like a Szamboti to me. Regardless, it's worth restoring this cue.

Also, during this time period, there was a time when Palmer used an epoxy finish. if the finish is original, it looks like epoxy to me, which is thicker than the typical
lacquer or enamel finishes and prone to yellowing and cracking over time. It needs to be carefully removed to reveal the beauty of the cue. This cue will be beautiful
when refinished, you won't recognize it.

Chris

Chris thank you for the response. I'm so glad there are people who know the history of these classic cues and are willing to share that knowledge.
I can't wait for this to be refinished, I will post pictures when it's done.

If anyone has pics of their model I, post them up or let us know the post # so we can look them up.

Thanks again.
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