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06-25-2019, 04:04 AM

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And you would be wrong. Maybe you should accept that fact more often.

See my previous post.
I am wrong often. That's how opinions work. It was my opinion that the ob would probably need to remain in sight in order to determine you pivot correctly onto the shot line. Thanks for video link. I had forgotten about this video, but did give it a thumbs up sometime in the past, so I know I've seen it before. Anyway, my favorite part isn't the curtain bit....it's the "Pool Playin' Fool" tune! Is that a Stan Shuffett original? Good song.


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Monty please observe the response above when you wonder why CTE has been such a point of contention. The fact is a serious look at what is happening has never been entertained by CTE supporters in this forum. Spider once said on video that he doesn't give a sh!t how CTE works. Fine, but if that is the case then maybe he should not take part in these kinds of conversations among people who ARE interested.
  
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The most interesting aspect of that video is that Stan is the voice on that background track


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The most interesting aspect of that video is that Stan is the voice on that background track
I like that song, thought I heard Stan singing the lyrics while he was lining up some of those shots.

Here are my curtain shots....https://youtu.be/KEYqJ5w6nFI

A tornado was coming through and the video gets cut off abruptly due to power failure. But I manage to make a few shots. Props to you for posting your video and doing so well in the blind.


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06-25-2019, 06:39 AM

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lol, really?

Here's my proof: go to a pool table, take out your cell phone, and go turn on the camera function.

You with me so far?

Set up any shot you want and look at your screen. Now move the camera to compensate for someone taller, and then someone shorter than you. Then move the camera closer or farther away from the table to compensate for someone who stands closer or farther from the table to visualize a shot. Lastly, move from left to right. It won't take much to see the "visual" change to reflect someone who prefers to stand a little more to the right or left of a shot.

All those are different perceptions of the same shot.

AND I did not say no one could be successful with an aiming system. What I was saying is that it is foolish to base an aiming system on everyone seeing the shots in exactly the same way.

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Of course you can base an aiming system on everyone seeing shots the same way. Take a look at "Perfect Aim". If you are not seeing the shots the correct way, it's clearly not going to work. You even said yourself farther up in this post: "And the trick from there is just creating a consistent methodology around that perception." So now you are saying this is foolish?


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06-25-2019, 07:12 AM

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Of course you can base an aiming system on everyone seeing shots the same way. Take a look at "Perfect Aim". If you are not seeing the shots the correct way, it's clearly not going to work. You even said yourself farther up in this post: "And the trick from there is just creating a consistent methodology around that perception." So now you are saying this is foolish?

lol, Perfect Aim is not an aiming system -- it is a sighting system to keep your dominant eye in its most dominant position.

And the funny thing -- now that you mention it -- is that according to the system, different players will have different dominant eyes ergo they will see the shots differently because of different perspectives.

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Second try at this........to show that it IS possible to get 2 different cut angles using the same perception/pivot, even when the CB/OB are the exact same distance from each other......with both eyes open.

Note: none of the diagrams are to exact scale.

I'm extremely right eye dominant. So when I try to put my tip on center CB, I'm actually slightly to the left. To me it looks like I'm on CCB, but I'm not. Because of my severe right eye dominance, I'm unknowingly looking at the CB at a slight angle. This was first pointed out to me by Dave Bollman......and then again a few years later by Stan Shuffett. Subsequent video analysis showed that my stroke swoops slightly to the right on my final forward stroke to compensate for this.....another thing I wasn't aware of doing. I'm positive that this was the reason I never won a US Open, lol JK .

Anyway, one day I was watching a Mike Page youtube video (he has some pretty good ones) where he says the best way to line up a near 90 degree cut is by sighting down the 2 contact points (edge to edge in this case). So I go to my table 15 feet away and set up a near 90 degree cut to the left. I address the shot and, knowing I'm right eye dominant, I close my left eye to ensure I'm right on the edge-to-edge line. To my surprise it didn't look right at all. I was confused. So with both eyes open I then closed my right eye and, surprised even more, I found I was then looking right down the edge-to-edge line.....with my left eye.

So another thing that I didn't know about my game was, that even though I'm very right eye dominant, my brain can switch to the other eye when more beneficial. Many players do this without even knowing it, again with both eyes open. From one extreme to the other (90 degree cut to left - 90 degree cut to the right) the eyes can switch dominance......and can dial left/right all across that spectrum depending on the shot angle. The trick is to know how to use this to one's advantage - but that's another story (3rd eye trainer). ......or ? Perfect Aim.

Having said all that, now to the main point of this post.

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Diagram #1 shows 3 shots - a straight-in (red ball), a near 90 degree cut to the right( blue ball), and a near 90 degree cut to the left (orange ball). The CB here is yellow. As you can see the player is using the right eye exclusively for the cut to the right and using the left eye exclusively for the cut to the left (when using one eye 80-100% for sighting it's just like having the other eye closed). For players that do this, all the shots in between these two extremes, the eyes will dial back and forth with a 50/50 for the straight-in. And when they get out to 75 - 100% one eye or the other, they start seeing the center of the CB at an angle relative to the shot line (shot line being the center of the CB to the center of the ghost ball). This is a problem, because if wanting to use a center CB hit, they're actually slightly off one way or the other which can cause squirt resulting in a thick hit and unwanted spin..........again, that's another story.

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Another way of illustrating this is in diagram #2. Here are another 3 shots. The middle ball is a dead bank across the corner, the left ball is a cut to the left side pocket, and the right ball is a cut to the right corner. The thing on all 3 of these shots is that they all share the exact same CB AND ghost ball positions. C1 is the CP-to-CP position for the cut to the left, C2 is the CP-to-CP position for the bank, and C3 is the CP-to-CP position for the cut to the right. See possible eye dominance percentages noted for each shot. Note here, with the exact same head position and CB/ghost ball positions, the player could see different center CBs (and perhaps a different edge, too) on all 3 shots.

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Now my last diagram (promise), #3. This shows another 3 shots. The shot on the left is the beginning of the 15 perceptions with an inside pivot. The shot on the right is the end of the 15 perceptions with an inside pivot. The middle shot is a tweener between the extremes of the 15 degree w/inside pivots.The orange area represents the ghost ball. Lets say for argument sake that all 3 shots are the exact same distance from each other. Keeping in mind all of the discussions about diagrams #1 and #2 above, as each shot becomes more acute to the left, the player (some players) left eye will become more in charge or more involved or more dominant (without them even knowing it, just based on a different position on the 2X1 surface of the pool table) and they'll see a different center CB for all three shots (and perhaps a different edge, too).....which could give them a different cut angle even when they are using the same 15 inside for all 3 shots.

Does anyone get what I'm talking about here?

Anyway, like I said before in the other thread, this has not much of anything to do with CTE....and never discussed on any DVDs. It's just ONE way of showing that, even with exact same distances and exact same perception/pivot, you can get different results in terms of cut angle. There are other ways ...... stay tuned, you won't want to miss it.


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Only one poster responded to this. You know who, with his usual psychobabble mumbo jumbo word salad type posts. Crickets otherwise.

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Only one poster responded to this. You know who, with his usual psychobabble mumbo jumbo word salad type posts. Crickets otherwise.

So I'll assume nobody is disputing my points.
I am, just donít want to go into only to have you rationalize something that canít be done.

I dispute a player can see only with one eye.....for one thing, the other eye for another and this based on my understanding of convergence of the eyes line of sight.

Now what you do with the imagine from your eyes in your mind is another thing.

Second, you canít accurately portray a 3D world in two dimensions and from a point of view that is directly overhead. No one ever has this perspective when shooting.

Perceptual sets are at play here......meaning you will ignore one thing in order to believe another thing.
  
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lol, Perfect Aim is not an aiming system -- it is a sighting system to keep your dominant eye in its most dominant position.

And the funny thing -- now that you mention it -- is that according to the system, different players will have different dominant eyes ergo they will see the shots differently because of different perspectives.

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Only one poster responded to this. You know who, with his usual psychobabble mumbo jumbo word salad type posts. Crickets otherwise.

So I'll assume nobody is disputing my points.
What I find unbelievable, and very disputable, is this: I do believe each of those three shots in the side pocket can be shot using a 15 inside, but they all don't track toward center pocket. Do you honestly believe that when the shot reaches the "extreme" limit for a 15 inside (or a 15 outside, or a 30 inside or outside), the ob is still tracking to center pocket? Do you think it magically goes to center pocket right up to the point where you have to use a thinner or thicker perception, and then that perception just happens to lead to center pocket as well?

I have shown in video that the same aim line can work over a wide range of shots due to differences in CIT and using the entire width of the pocket. If you shoot a 15 inside and the ob goes center pocket, moving the ob left or right of this spot will cause the same 15 inside to send the ob left or right of center pocket. This is why the 15 inside (and all the other perceptions and pivots) have limitations, or "extremes", as you said. Eventually the cut will be too thin or too thick and another perception will be needed in order to keep the ob from missing the pocket.


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I am, just donít want to go into only to have you rationalize something that canít be done.

I dispute a player can see only with one eye.....for one thing, the other eye for another and this based on my understanding of convergence of the eyes line of sight.

Now what you do with the imagine from your eyes in your mind is another thing.

Second, you canít accurately portray a 3D world in two dimensions and from a point of view that is directly overhead. No one ever has this perspective when shooting.

Perceptual sets are at play here......meaning you will ignore one thing in order to believe another thing.
Yo, Duckie. Reading your posts can be challenging......sort of like trying to read a text message from a young teenager, having to read it several times trying to figure out what the hell they're trying to say.

I think the medical literature you've obviously been reading is way over your head. I did medicine for 20+ years and most of that vision stuff is way over my head, too.

How can you "dispute" what has been going on with my own game for years in terms of vision issues?

Anyway, your post is noted. Have a nice day.
  
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What I find unbelievable, and very disputable, is this: I do believe each of those three shots in the side pocket can be shot using a 15 inside, but they all don't track toward center pocket. Do you honestly believe that when the shot reaches the "extreme" limit for a 15 inside (or a 15 outside, or a 30 inside or outside), the ob is still tracking to center pocket? Do you think it magically goes to center pocket right up to the point where you have to use a thinner or thicker perception, and then that perception just happens to lead to center pocket as well?

I have shown in video that the same aim line can work over a wide range of shots due to differences in CIT and using the entire width of the pocket. If you shoot a 15 inside and the ob goes center pocket, moving the ob left or right of this spot will cause the same 15 inside to send the ob left or right of center pocket. This is why the 15 inside (and all the other perceptions and pivots) have limitations, or "extremes", as you said. Eventually the cut will be too thin or too thick and another perception will be needed in order to keep the ob from missing the pocket.
The point of my long post with the illustrations was to show that it is possible to use the same perception/pivot on 2 slightly different shots at equal distance and get a different outcome. Some on here have said that that is impossible. What do you think?

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Only one poster responded to this. You know who, with his usual psychobabble mumbo jumbo word salad type posts. Crickets otherwise.

So I'll assume nobody is disputing my points.
It seems that you do not know what YOU make of yourself when YOU assume.

Just because others have not responded does NOT equate to them agreeing with you nor disagreeing with you.

However, if you would actually read my responses to your suppositions & attempt to employ some comprehension, then you might "real eyes"(just for you) that I basically agreed, but NOT as to the wording of your 'conclusion', as it seems to be intended for a misleading purpose as you have added two totally "different" POINTS of view by the same individual.

The statement made by me & others were in reference to a single view "POINT", as in the ONE from where the 2 lines can be equally seen "Simultaneously" & NOT "changing" Point"S" of view.

There is no Psychobabble in my post. You wanted/demanded a Yes or No answer. Your question does not apply to the topic of this thread. You seemed to want to imply something that would be inapplicable.

Gene Albreight has been talking about the eyes things for a VERY LONG TIME & he even has a Product that has been Out for a Very Long Time, called Perfect Aim, but as Lou pointed out, it is NOT an aiming system nor method at all. It is about the different ways our subjective vision can work & what we can do to maximize such for playing the game of pool.

It seems that you merely wanted to try to trap me into admitting that I had earlier made an inaccurate statement...

& then... illogically employ one wrong = ALL wrong.

THAT is not the case nor did I make an accurate statement.

Not so nice try, though.

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What I find unbelievable, and very disputable, is this: I do believe each of those three shots in the side pocket can be shot using a 15 inside, but they all don't track toward center pocket. Do you honestly believe that when the shot reaches the "extreme" limit for a 15 inside (or a 15 outside, or a 30 inside or outside), the ob is still tracking to center pocket? Do you think it magically goes to center pocket right up to the point where you have to use a thinner or thicker perception, and then that perception just happens to lead to center pocket as well?

I have shown in video that the same aim line can work over a wide range of shots due to differences in CIT and using the entire width of the pocket. If you shoot a 15 inside and the ob goes center pocket, moving the ob left or right of this spot will cause the same 15 inside to send the ob left or right of center pocket. This is why the 15 inside (and all the other perceptions and pivots) have limitations, or "extremes", as you said. Eventually the cut will be too thin or too thick and another perception will be needed in order to keep the ob from missing the pocket.
  
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