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06-23-2019, 08:50 AM

I hear you.

I cannot count how many cue-makers I know who ended up dying of cancer.

Not to say that exposure to these products caused it, but it is not a risk I would like to take.

Proper tools protective clothing and ventilation are needed.

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I have the hang of the epoxy finish and they come out good I just don't enjoy doing it. That's what it's about more than anything. I just don't like doing it.

And the epoxy isn't as hard of a finish as auto clear coat.

I'm afraid if I take too many deep breaths of the good stuff it will hurt my health irreparably

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06-24-2019, 12:48 PM

Besides having too many other distractions at this point in life; one of the reasons I'll never go pro is the finishng issue. I do sell cues to people i know who know what they are getting (simple full splice sneaky style) but i only use shellac and wax for finish.

Almost certainly this would have been the finish on cues before WW2, and likely for some for years afterwards, until spray nitro lacquer became all conquering in the late 50's for most woodwork. Later acrylic lacquer as that was developed. Car finishes (clears, anyway) weren't really much better until the 90's because they yellowed and degraded. But the linear poly's and such will kill you without airsupplied hood/suit. Carbon filter is not adequate against isocyanates even if you think you can't smell them.

I spent my early years haphazardly spraying deadly chemicals including creosote, most of the auto finishes, and breathing asbestos dust & sometimes tailings from tool grinding carbide. For some reason i've been lucky 'til now and about 15 years ago started to reform. I won't mind dropping dead in my track out of the blue. But the idea of lingering for 20 years at an ever debilitated rate on oxygen and unable to do some of the things that really matter (like flying) would terrify me.

I sprayed part of a kitchen in the shop last week for a friend, 2 part finish, with carbon filter respirator, with an ad-hoc shop spray booth/exhaust fan set up. Have not done so for a few years and that process and this post reminded me, i really don't want to do it anymore. I had a rep in a small circle as a good finisher, but even then i hated it the whole time. At 66 yrs, i'm going to try to stick to making my own choices. I'll probably still spray MC & airplane parts for myself, but really want to be done the rest of it.

Good luck!

And hey, true French polish, from flakes, is an excellent finish that can be re-juvenated in a half hour or so when desired. Or washed off and re-done overnight. It just is not a "permanent" finish. Ethanol is the solvent and some people even drink that. . (Don't use Methanol, unnecessary and extremely toxic itself)

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06-25-2019, 07:15 AM

You should look into super glue finish. I was also very frustrated with what finish to use. Tried several including solerez. Never used or tried auto clear...too much hassle, expense and danger for me. Im not a cue maker full time, just a cue making hack thats made a few cues. I read a couple of posts about CA finishing using BLO (boiled linseed oil). I tried the finish on a couple of sneaky petes and was amazed how easy it was to get an amazing finish and how great the finish looks. Do some research on this forum about technique and give it a try. greyghost posted some great info on CA finishing using BLO. You wont be disappointed! If you fail in your research, send my a message and I will send you my notes I gleaned from doing research on the forum.
  
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06-25-2019, 08:44 AM

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You should look into super glue finish. I was also very frustrated with what finish to use. Tried several including solerez. Never used or tried auto clear...too much hassle, expense and danger for me. Im not a cue maker full time, just a cue making hack thats made a few cues. I read a couple of posts about CA finishing using BLO (boiled linseed oil). I tried the finish on a couple of sneaky petes and was amazed how easy it was to get an amazing finish and how great the finish looks. Do some research on this forum about technique and give it a try. greyghost posted some great info on CA finishing using BLO. You wont be disappointed! If you fail in your research, send my a message and I will send you my notes I gleaned from doing research on the forum.
Cyano is pretty scary stuff to work with, so it's not like it's a harmless substance to work with. If your doing more than a few cues a year I would look at other options.



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06-25-2019, 09:33 AM

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Cyano is pretty scary stuff to work with, so it's not like it's a harmless substance to work with. If your doing more than a few cues a year I would look at other options.
Got a source? From what I have read it's not carcinogenic and not seriously toxic although can cause flu-like symptoms in some people. I realize that the fumes are quite unpleasant and may be aversive to use, but as far as being a significant health risk I haven't seen evidence of that.
  
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Cyano is pretty scary stuff to work with, so it's not like it's a harmless substance to work with. If your doing more than a few cues a year I would look at other options.
MSDS sheet list cyano as a irritant, compare this to other finishes MSDS sheets.
  
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Got a source? From what I have read it's not carcinogenic and not seriously toxic although can cause flu-like symptoms in some people. I realize that the fumes are quite unpleasant and may be aversive to use, but as far as being a significant health risk I haven't seen evidence of that.
There are people who have died from CA vapors that have crystalized in the lungs. That does not sound like a pleasant way to go..



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06-25-2019, 12:37 PM

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There are people who have died from CA vapors that have crystalized in the lungs. That doed not sound like a pleasant way to go..
Varney being one of them.
Varney used CA finish for a very short time .
He had a little room to work in.
His lungs and blood were messed up.


If you use CA for finish. you better be wearing the correct respirator.
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06-26-2019, 07:46 AM

I use a small fan that moves air/fumes across the length of the cue. Then an additional box fan placed in a door way that blows air outside. I never smell any CA fumes.
  
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06-26-2019, 08:04 AM

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I never smell any CA fumes.
What about those that are odorless? They are there.


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What about those that are odorless? They are there.
Ummm . . how does "odorless" mitigate any health issues?
Does "odorless" similarly affect adhesion? Why not?
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Cyano - 06-26-2019, 01:56 PM

If you use Cyano best way I found is to use two fans blowing away from me and running the vacuum system underneath the cue and exhausting to the outside. I also run my room air filter. Plus a mask most of the time.


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What about those that are odorless? They are there.
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06-26-2019, 05:16 PM

Why don't all of you post pictures of your finish? C'mon in, the water's fine.


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06-26-2019, 06:29 PM

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Why don't all of you post pictures of your finish? C'mon in, the water's fine.
I have a few dozen of my cues posted on my website and I finished all but a couple I had Scot do. They look good but the time it took me to do it was not fulfilling and it's not getting better. I know some of you are in it for a job and couldn't afford to have someone else finish your cues and stay afloat, but I'm a hobbyist and hobbies should be fun. I guess I'm just on a totally different wavelength than most here.

I have personally seen some cues from respected makers with crappy (IMO) finishes that I would not have tolerated. My problem is I'm a perfectionist and making my finish perfect is making me old fast.

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