AzBilliards.com  
Register Blogs FAQ Members List Social Groups Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

  
Go Back   AzBilliards.com > Products Talk > Talk To A Mechanic
Reload this Page Anniversary Frame Bolts
Reply
 
Share Thread Tools Rate Thread
Anniversary Frame Bolts
Old
  (#1)
Boxcar
AzB Silver Member
Boxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Online
Posts: 85
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Jan 2019
   
Anniversary Frame Bolts - 04-25-2019, 06:55 PM

As you know, the four corners of the base frame on an Anniversary table are held together by four 1/2" #13 x 7" square head bolts. What size 8 point socket do you use to take them out?

Thank you.

Boxcar
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#2)
Lawnboy77
AzB Silver Member
Lawnboy77 has a reputation beyond reputeLawnboy77 has a reputation beyond reputeLawnboy77 has a reputation beyond reputeLawnboy77 has a reputation beyond reputeLawnboy77 has a reputation beyond reputeLawnboy77 has a reputation beyond reputeLawnboy77 has a reputation beyond reputeLawnboy77 has a reputation beyond reputeLawnboy77 has a reputation beyond reputeLawnboy77 has a reputation beyond reputeLawnboy77 has a reputation beyond repute
 
Lawnboy77's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 259
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Sep 2015
   
04-27-2019, 06:09 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxcar View Post
As you know, the four corners of the base frame on an Anniversary table are held together by four 1/2" #13 x 7" square head bolts. What size 8 point socket do you use to take them out?

Thank you.

Boxcar
Well I don't have any 8 pt. sockets, but a 23 mm 12 point socket works great on the head and 24 mm 12 point works fine on the nuts. In SAE sizes that would be somewhere around 7/8" and 15/16", and that should also be 12 pt, I don't think a 6 pt. will work for you.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#3)
kid
billiard mechanic
kid has a reputation beyond reputekid has a reputation beyond reputekid has a reputation beyond reputekid has a reputation beyond reputekid has a reputation beyond reputekid has a reputation beyond reputekid has a reputation beyond reputekid has a reputation beyond reputekid has a reputation beyond reputekid has a reputation beyond reputekid has a reputation beyond repute
 
kid's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 172
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: May 2012
Location: montreal
   
04-27-2019, 06:57 PM

I think an open wrench would work better. 3/4 ‘’
Would be the right size if i remember correctly


Envoyé de mon iPhone en utilisant AzBilliards Forums
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#4)
trentfromtoledo
8onthebreaktoledo

trentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond reputetrentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond reputetrentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond reputetrentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond reputetrentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond reputetrentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond reputetrentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond reputetrentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond reputetrentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond reputetrentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond reputetrentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 1,427
vCash: 500
iTrader: 4 / 100%
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Toledo, Ohio
   
04-27-2019, 07:07 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by kid View Post
I think an open wrench would work better. 3/4 ‘’
Would be the right size if i remember correctly


Envoyé de mon iPhone en utilisant AzBilliards Forums
They are counter sunk into the frame

Trent from Toledo
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#5)
Lawnboy77
AzB Silver Member
Lawnboy77 has a reputation beyond reputeLawnboy77 has a reputation beyond reputeLawnboy77 has a reputation beyond reputeLawnboy77 has a reputation beyond reputeLawnboy77 has a reputation beyond reputeLawnboy77 has a reputation beyond reputeLawnboy77 has a reputation beyond reputeLawnboy77 has a reputation beyond reputeLawnboy77 has a reputation beyond reputeLawnboy77 has a reputation beyond reputeLawnboy77 has a reputation beyond repute
 
Lawnboy77's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 259
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Sep 2015
   
04-27-2019, 07:18 PM

Yeah an open end wrench is not going to work on the 4 corner frame bolts, those are counterbored. You could use an open end wrench on the pedestal nuts, but you would still need a socket to hold back-up on the head since those are also counterbored. The sizes I posted are correct. I fit tested those before posting. In the pic it's showing a 24 mm on the head, but really a 23 mm on the head and 24 mm on the nut would be the best fit.





Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Last edited by Lawnboy77; 04-27-2019 at 07:44 PM.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#6)
Boxcar
AzB Silver Member
Boxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Online
Posts: 85
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Jan 2019
   
04-27-2019, 08:12 PM

Gentlemen,

Thank you very much for your replies. Lawnboy, thank you for back-checking your first response. I just got word back from an off-site inquiry that a 3/4" 8pt. socket is the exact fit, but I don't have one. I do, however, have a barn full of metric sockets, so I'm good to go.

I'll be bringing most of "Baby" home next week. I'll have to wait for my son to help me bring the slates, but we all know that I have my work cut out for me before I'll ever need to install the heavy stuff.

Again, THANKS!!!!! This project is making me feel like a kid again.

Best regards,
Boxcar
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#7)
Lawnboy77
AzB Silver Member
Lawnboy77 has a reputation beyond reputeLawnboy77 has a reputation beyond reputeLawnboy77 has a reputation beyond reputeLawnboy77 has a reputation beyond reputeLawnboy77 has a reputation beyond reputeLawnboy77 has a reputation beyond reputeLawnboy77 has a reputation beyond reputeLawnboy77 has a reputation beyond reputeLawnboy77 has a reputation beyond reputeLawnboy77 has a reputation beyond reputeLawnboy77 has a reputation beyond repute
 
Lawnboy77's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 259
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Sep 2015
   
04-27-2019, 08:43 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxcar View Post
Gentlemen,

Thank you very much for your replies. Lawnboy, thank you for back-checking your first response. I just got word back from an off-site inquiry that a 3/4" 8pt. socket is the exact fit, but I don't have one. I do, however, have a barn full of metric sockets, so I'm good to go.

I'll be bringing most of "Baby" home next week. I'll have to wait for my son to help me bring the slates, but we all know that I have my work cut out for me before I'll ever need to install the heavy stuff.

Again, THANKS!!!!! This project is making me feel like a kid again.

Best regards,
Boxcar
Sounds like a good plan and glad to help out. Those 8 pt. sockets must be real old school. I'm nearing 60 years old and don't think I have ever seen any.

The torques should be relatively low so no problem using the metric 12 pt. sockets. If you have the space for transport I'd suggest just leaving the frame assembled.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#8)
Boxcar
AzB Silver Member
Boxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Online
Posts: 85
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Jan 2019
   
04-27-2019, 09:05 PM

I like the way you think! We might be able to bring the frame home when we get the slates. Are there any deep pitfalls associated with taking the frame apart?

I appreciate the help.

Boxcar
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#9)
Lawnboy77
AzB Silver Member
Lawnboy77 has a reputation beyond reputeLawnboy77 has a reputation beyond reputeLawnboy77 has a reputation beyond reputeLawnboy77 has a reputation beyond reputeLawnboy77 has a reputation beyond reputeLawnboy77 has a reputation beyond reputeLawnboy77 has a reputation beyond reputeLawnboy77 has a reputation beyond reputeLawnboy77 has a reputation beyond reputeLawnboy77 has a reputation beyond reputeLawnboy77 has a reputation beyond repute
 
Lawnboy77's Avatar
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 259
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Sep 2015
   
04-27-2019, 10:43 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxcar View Post
I like the way you think! We might be able to bring the frame home when we get the slates. Are there any deep pitfalls associated with taking the frame apart?

I appreciate the help.

Boxcar
No, nothing big about taking it apart, just a little more time and effort than what is needed in my opinion, that is if you have the room in the transport vehicle. If you don’t then by all means, take the frame apart being careful to assemble it just as the factory did, and don’t lose any hardware. The movers that moved mine lost bolts and nuts. It might be hard finding exact hardware if you are a stickler for all things being original.

Edit: I would for sure remove the two bridge holders that mount to the frame. Those are expensive to replace. BTW I need one more for mine if anyone knows of a good source, I’d appreciate the info. Thanks.

Last edited by Lawnboy77; 04-27-2019 at 11:30 PM.
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#10)
trentfromtoledo
8onthebreaktoledo

trentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond reputetrentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond reputetrentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond reputetrentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond reputetrentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond reputetrentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond reputetrentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond reputetrentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond reputetrentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond reputetrentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond reputetrentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 1,427
vCash: 500
iTrader: 4 / 100%
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Toledo, Ohio
   
04-28-2019, 05:56 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxcar View Post
I like the way you think! We might be able to bring the frame home when we get the slates. Are there any deep pitfalls associated with taking the frame apart?

I appreciate the help.

Boxcar
Be careful not to break off the dowels! That is the only risky part. Mark the frame with a marker. There are stamps in the wood, but, can be hard to see. Much easier to move apart

Trent from Toledo
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#11)
iusedtoberich
AzB Silver Member

iusedtoberich has a reputation beyond reputeiusedtoberich has a reputation beyond reputeiusedtoberich has a reputation beyond reputeiusedtoberich has a reputation beyond reputeiusedtoberich has a reputation beyond reputeiusedtoberich has a reputation beyond reputeiusedtoberich has a reputation beyond reputeiusedtoberich has a reputation beyond reputeiusedtoberich has a reputation beyond reputeiusedtoberich has a reputation beyond reputeiusedtoberich has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 10,923
vCash: 1470
iTrader: 19 / 100%
Join Date: Mar 2004
   
04-28-2019, 07:06 AM

I'm not a mechanic and don't have an anniversary, ha ha, but wouldn't you want the correct tool if you are going to travel somewhere to take a table apart, and then later put it back together?

Here is the 8 point socket size you listed for $12 with free prime shipping on Amazon.
https://www.amazon.com/Stanley-Proto...ateway&sr=8-10



Here is the whole set for a few bucks more.
https://www.amazon.com/Craftsman-Etc...gateway&sr=8-5
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#12)
Boxcar
AzB Silver Member
Boxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Online
Posts: 85
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Jan 2019
   
04-28-2019, 08:46 AM

Lawnboy,

Thanks for the update. I'd like to take it apart so I can get all of the misc. parts on the workbench for review and repair as needed. It will be much easier for me to move if it is separated, so your feedback is valuable.

Trent,

Once the bolts are removed, can I use a rubber mallet and gently bump the sides off the ends? How tight is the dowel fitting? Did the factory glue both connecting points?

IusedtobeRich,

You, Sir, are absolutely correct! Thanks for going to the trouble to resource the 8pt. sockets for me. I placed the order for the 3/4" 8pt. socket and it is, as we speak, hurtling toward my waiting hands. Good call.

Thanks to everyone for the support.

Best regards,
Boxcar
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#13)
trentfromtoledo
8onthebreaktoledo

trentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond reputetrentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond reputetrentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond reputetrentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond reputetrentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond reputetrentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond reputetrentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond reputetrentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond reputetrentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond reputetrentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond reputetrentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 1,427
vCash: 500
iTrader: 4 / 100%
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Toledo, Ohio
   
04-28-2019, 02:45 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxcar View Post
Lawnboy,

Thanks for the update. I'd like to take it apart so I can get all of the misc. parts on the workbench for review and repair as needed. It will be much easier for me to move if it is separated, so your feedback is valuable.

Trent,

Once the bolts are removed, can I use a rubber mallet and gently bump the sides off the ends? How tight is the dowel fitting? Did the factory glue both connecting points?

IusedtobeRich,

You, Sir, are absolutely correct! Thanks for going to the trouble to resource the 8pt. sockets for me. I placed the order for the 3/4" 8pt. socket and it is, as we speak, hurtling toward my waiting hands. Good call.

Thanks to everyone for the support.

Best regards,
Boxcar

The dowels are not tight, bring a mini sledge and a block of wood just in case. No glue.

I have been using a socket like lawnboy posted for about 6 years now with very little issue( a few bolts have given me trouble, seee in capital letters below). One hitch about tryin to fit a socket perfectly on the square headed bolt like that is this: THE HEAD OF THE BOLTS VARY IN SIZE SLIGHTLY. Must be the lack of precision technology in the 40's and 50's...

The forum has this issue: people who don't know things like this post far to often.... Can be very misleading and sometimes just WRONG>

Good luck!

Trent from Toledo
  
Reply With Quote
Service manual!
Old
  (#14)
trentfromtoledo
8onthebreaktoledo

trentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond reputetrentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond reputetrentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond reputetrentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond reputetrentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond reputetrentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond reputetrentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond reputetrentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond reputetrentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond reputetrentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond reputetrentfromtoledo has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Offline
Posts: 1,427
vCash: 500
iTrader: 4 / 100%
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Toledo, Ohio
   
Service manual! - 04-28-2019, 02:47 PM

Anniversary Service Manual here:

https://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=486267

Trent from Toledo
  
Reply With Quote
Old
  (#15)
Boxcar
AzB Silver Member
Boxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond reputeBoxcar has a reputation beyond repute
 
Status: Online
Posts: 85
vCash: 500
iTrader: 0 / 0%
Join Date: Jan 2019
   
04-28-2019, 06:53 PM

Trent,

Thank you for all of your support! I particularly appreciate the copy of the Installation Manual. I saved it and now can blow it up in order to see the detailed sketches and read the "fine print." Great work!

Now, this note to All:

I would be terribly remiss by not acknowledging the many contributions made to my project by a very special artist, Derrick at Billiard Restoration Service. Derrick was generous to a fault. He shared freely and openly and greatly broadened my knowledge of The Brunswick Anniversary Pool Table from its inception. When he responded to my question about the 8pt. socket, he not only gave me the correct size but he gave me the manufacturer's name and their part number. The 3/4" Armstrong USA Socket, part #12-424, is the perfect socket for the job.

My "new" Anniversary Table will be my "forever table." I'm 73 years old, so I've got about 25 good years of pool left. I will restore my table to its earlier glory. I'll do my best to keep those who are interested abreast of the latest developments. Like my grandfather used to say, "The mystery continues."

Best regards,
Boxcar
  
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.