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Proform temporary install - 06-07-2019, 10:09 AM

Good morning Guys

Iím planning to install my new Proform Cloth this weekend. Iíve bought the Simonis installation DVDís and they are great but I have a question.

Since I will have to remove my cloth somewhere next year to dismantle my table, I wonder if this time I should glue the pocket as recommended in the video ? I donít know if the 3M 66 spray glue is strong enough to damage the cloth when Iíll have remove it next year.

BTW Iím planning to do not trim the excess cloth yet to give me some grip for the future reinstall.

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06-07-2019, 10:17 AM

Are you saying you are trying to keep the cloth?


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06-07-2019, 10:51 AM

Yes

The cloth will be only one year old and stapled, I think its feasable.

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06-07-2019, 10:58 AM

You could keep the rail cloth but donít bother with the bed cloth. I know you want to try to keep it but you wonít be able to stretch it again. Just start over on the bed cloth. Trust me on this. You will pull your head out trying to get a stretch out of it only to find that you will have to buy new bed cloth.


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06-07-2019, 11:15 AM

I do it all the time... with trimmed cloth sometimes over 10 years old or more. If it was done right in the first place and pulled off with care it should not be a problem


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06-07-2019, 11:28 AM

Thank you guys

What about gluing the pockets ? If I glue the pockets opening with 3m 66, do you think I will be able to remove the cloth without damaged ?

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06-07-2019, 11:36 AM

Sent you a PM.

When I pulled cloth that a mechanic had lightly glued with 3M 77 at pockets, the glue had picked up debris and I think it would have been difficult to remove that. Plus it had hardened / dried, wasn't very sticky anymore.
Maybe if it was like contact cement it could be "re-activated" with another coat, I don't know. But to me it looked like just applying 77 again, wouldn't have worked well the second time.
  
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06-07-2019, 11:40 AM

Thank you Angluse

I dont know why I mention 3M 66, I meant 77. I think I'll try to doing it without glue unless it looks terrible without it.

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06-07-2019, 12:12 PM

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Thank you Angluse

I dont know why I mention 3M 66, I meant 77. I think I'll try to doing it without glue unless it looks terrible without it.

Martin
You absolutely can reuse the cloth!
Secret is like you said: do not trim
off all of the excess. You can just
fold it under and pop in a few staples
in to keep it from hanging.

You have the DVD's and also I have
seen from your pictures that you
possess good shop skills. Another
trick: the dvd shows Jay marking
out the lines in dashes, I use a
straight edge and use a solid line.
Keeps my stretch even as I am going.

These with some 150 grit spray glued
on the inside of the paddles will help tremendously:


You are using staples and remember
that if you do not like the way things
are doing, stop, pull all the staples
carefully and restart.

I am actually re-leveling a table next
week and I have to remove the Simonis
860 to do it. The guess work is whether
the last guy installed it correctly or not, but,
the customer is aware that if it is butchered
he will have to pay for a new bedcloth.

As for the spray glue in the pockets: Personally,
I do not use it at all and have zero issues
getting it in there. If you are having trouble getting
the sides in use some spray glue to help you, but,
be conservative and you wont have issue
when you take the cloth off. I also do the "french fold"
on all six pockets to hide the relief cuts and staples.

Just don't be in a hurry and you will do
a great job!I have a feeling you will be proud!
Show us some pics of your install

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06-07-2019, 12:20 PM

Thank you Trent for the advices and encouragement.

The pliers you show are tin folding pliers ? Right ?

I already have some of those ViseGrip and was planning gluing some neoprene facing materiel to the jaws to give some grip and avoid tearing the cloth. What do you think about my idea ?

EDIT: The more I think about it, your style of pliers is probably a lot better since the jaws are parrallel and wont pinch the cloth at only one spot....

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06-07-2019, 12:34 PM

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Thank you Trent for the advices and encouragement.

The pliers you show are tin folding pliers ? Right ?

I already have some of those ViseGrip and was planning gluing some neoprene facing materiel to the jaws to give some grip and avoid tearing the cloth. What do you think about my idea ?

EDIT: The more I think about it, your style of pliers is probably a lot better since the jaws are parrallel and wont pinch the cloth at only one spot....

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Yes, they are sheet metal pliers. A very solid mechanic Jamie Pluta in Minneapolis showed me these 3 years ago and I been hooked on them since. I use skateboard grip tape (because I still skate) on the inside of the paddles and they work awesome. The vise grips also lock down every pull, with the Wiss pliers, they are hinged and easy to work with.

You got this Martin!

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06-07-2019, 03:57 PM

I built this contraption. I've add hard wood blocks to the pliers jaws to make them closing parrallel and glued some sand paper, That's crude but hopefully it will work fine

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06-07-2019, 05:26 PM

Yeah buddy! Much better now! Keep us posted!


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