CSI Response to ABP Points List and Recent Announcement

Holly

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With AZBHousepro's permission, below is a link and copy of a press release by CSI that was posted on Oct. 2nd.

http://azbilliards.com/2000storya.php?storynum=10480

CSI Responds to ABP Press Release and Supports BCA

CueSports International, Henderson, Nevada (September 28, 2012) –CueSports International (CSI), the organization which owns and produces the US Open 10-Ball Championship, wishes to correct erroneous information that was presented in a recent press release. On September 19, 2012, the Association of Billiard Professionals (ABP) distributed a press release that proclaimed their ranking list. There was an attachment to this release that listed the 3 events that were used for these calculations; Hopkins Player’s Championship, the US Open 10-Ball, and Turning Stone.

By sending out this information, the ABP suggested that all 3 events have sanctioned or recognized the ABP. That is NOT TRUE. The only event that actually recognized the ABP was the first event. This type of release misleads and confuses the players and the fans.

In a statement distributed to the mainstream billiard media on January 17, 2012 entitled “CSI Supports BCA as Governing Body for Cue Sports in North America” CSI clearly recognized and continues to support the Billiard Congress of America (BCA) as the Governing Body of Billiards in North America. The BCA point system is the only recognized system in North America used for inviting players to compete in WPA sanctioned World Championship events.

One of the responsibilities of a governing body is to insure that events do not conflict with previously scheduled events – particularly world events. The ABP has shown that they will schedule events that conflict with previously scheduled WPA world events. That is unacceptable, when the goal is to get North American players to participate in world events.

The US Open 10-Ball Championship will be held at the Rio All Suite Hotel & Casino (July 19-23, 2013) in Las Vegas. It will be a Billiard Congress of America (BCA) Point Event. It has been scheduled and will be played using the BCA guidelines. There is a very high probability that the US Open 8-Ball (held immediately after the US Open 10-Ball) will also be a BCA Point event. The 14th US Open One Pocket is also scheduled; that will make 3 US Open events with $60,000 in added money. All these events are played alongside the 37th Annual BCAPL National Championships – “The Greatest Pool Tournament in the World”.

It is unfortunate that we have to take this action, but CSI must clarify that neither the tournament nor CSI are affiliated with the ABP. CSI does not recognize, endorse or sanction with the ABP as an official player ranking organization in the United States. CSI has never agreed to promote an ABP sanctioned event. CSI has requested that ABP send out a corrective press release, however with the way that several websites have reported the ABP press release as accurate, we felt compelled to set the record straight.

CueSports International is dedicated to creating more choices for all players. In the past 8 years CSI has directly paid out $8,000,000 to players. CSI is the parent company of the BCA Pool League and the USA Pool League. CSI also produces independent events such as the US Bar Table Championships, the Jay Swanson Memorial, the US Open One Pocket Championship, the US Open 8-Ball Championship and the US Open 10-Ball Championship. Visit www.playcsipool.com, www.playbca.com, and www.playusapool.com for more information about CSI and its divisions.

By CSI - 2012-10-02
 

Scott Lee

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The ABP is, imo, a joke. CSI, on the other hand, is serious bizness when it comes to pro pool AND amateur pool! Keep up the great work Holly...and congrats on your marriage! :grin:

Scott Lee
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Holly

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Thanks Scott. Loving life and a happy wife :)

On the business side, thank you also for your words of support. CSI always strives as you know, to be inclusive, positive, progressive in it's thinking, yet pragmatic on it's strategies and diligent on it's goals to always promote and grow the sport overall as much as possible.

There is terrific benefit for a professionally ran player's association. However, it is not healthy for the industry nor professional for a group as the ABP to distribute false and misleading information.

It is not necessarily just because the US Open 10-Ball was mentioned inaccurately, although that in itself was wrong especially in light of some confrontational behavior by a couple of ABP board members the past two years at the US Open 10-Ball Championship. There is also a bigger issue - that the recent ABP release is indicative of behavior that has a 12 or so year pattern with some associated with that organization.
 

JB Cases

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Can we have one clarification? CSI has paid out $8 million to player in the past 8 years means that this includes ALL of the prize money that goes to amateur players for the BCAPL Nationals right?

I think that it's important to clarify that the bulk of this $8 Million does not go into the prize funds for professional pool. Now, if the CSI's USA Pool League takes off then I think we could get to the point where millions of dollars DO go into professional tournament prize funds. It's too bad that the American professionals cannot work with Mark Griffin and CSI to help make this happen because Mark has never done a single negative thing to the professionals and tons of positive things the whole time I have known him.
 

david(tx)

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Can we have one clarification? CSI has paid out $8 million to player in the past 8 years means that this includes ALL of the prize money that goes to amateur players for the BCAPL Nationals right?

I think that it's important to clarify that the bulk of this $8 Million does not go into the prize funds for professional pool. Now, if the CSI's USA Pool League takes off then I think we could get to the point where millions of dollars DO go into professional tournament prize funds. It's too bad that the American professionals cannot work with Mark Griffin and CSI to help make this happen because Mark has never done a single negative thing to the professionals and tons of positive things the whole time I have known him.



Question to you , seems all the questions about a professional pool tour surround the United States , i'm wondering why , with the popularity of pool in China , Japan and the Philippines that and Asian businessman or corporation hasn't started a pro tour ? I see Asian car companies funding golf and tennis tournaments. Maybe a Canadian or Mexican company could title sponsor a tour.
 

JB Cases

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Question to you , seems all the questions about a professional pool tour surround the United States , i'm wondering why , with the popularity of pool in China , Japan and the Philippines that and Asian businessman or corporation hasn't started a pro tour ? I see Asian car companies funding golf and tennis tournaments. Maybe a Canadian or Mexican company could title sponsor a tour.

Who knows what's happening in China. At the moment they seem to be having at least two major WPA events each year and there is a China tour happening now. Kelly Fisher is the number one player in China on that tour at the moment.

The Philippines are stuck in infighting and yet they have managed to put together some interesting events despite that.

Any decently sized corporation in any area of the world could absolutely OWN pro pool for a fraction of what they would need to spend on sponsorship in the major sports. But here as in America, pool is a fringe sport and not seen favorably in terms of demographics and reach.
 

Holly

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Can we have one clarification? CSI has paid out $8 million to player in the past 8 years means that this includes ALL of the prize money that goes to amateur players for the BCAPL Nationals right?

I think that it's important to clarify that the bulk of this $8 Million does not go into the prize funds for professional pool. Now, if the CSI's USA Pool League takes off then I think we could get to the point where millions of dollars DO go into professional tournament prize funds. It's too bad that the American professionals cannot work with Mark Griffin and CSI to help make this happen because Mark has never done a single negative thing to the professionals and tons of positive things the whole time I have known him.

That is correct John. Most of the $8 million has been to the amateur side. At the same time CSI has added 6 figures to the pro events over the past several years.
 

Ghosst

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It's great to see all of the CSI staff support pool, both professional and amateur. It's a shame some people try to ride the coattails of your hard work.

The only nice thing you can say about CW's latest attempt at self-promotion is that when you compete, you always go after number 1. And CSI is number 1 for a lot of reasons.
 
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jhanso18

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I don't think CSI is bad.

Until we see some one start pulling in the Pro's under a CBA of some sort. Signed contracts stating you will play here and there for sure, to get some kind of half ass organization in pool, we will continue to see what we've seen for years.

The problem is that POOL as a whole is not an organization. Look at any current PRO sport. They all went through growing pains to bring every one under one roof. I think that golf, or tennis are the best models to start building something off of. Obviously there will be some differences, but unless some one steps up to the plate, we will continue to see the BS back door shinanagans we've always seen. (crossing my fingers for CSI to do so)

could you imagine what would happen if in the tennis world or golf the top two guys chopped the finals??? OUTRAGE would in sue instantly!


I'm rooting for you folks at CSI.

Just my little .02,

Justin
 

JB Cases

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Not only is CSI great but Mark Griffin has reached into his own pocket on more than one occasion to help the pro game.

Most notably several years ago a tournament was promoted with the sanction of the UPA. For those who don't remember the UPA was the last player's association started with the stated goal of making sure that prize funds were guaranteed and secured. Well a UPA sanctioned event was held and the promoter stiffed the players.

Mark Griffin stepped up and paid the players and negotiated some sort of loan to the promoter to cover the shortfall. I don't know if Mark has ever been paid back to this day.

CSI could and should be the future of professional pool in the United States. But judging by the tone between the APB and CSI it seems as if this is not going to happen anytime soon.
 
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