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Phenolic inserts for shaft - 04-04-2020, 01:20 PM

Getting ready to turn/thread some inserts.
Out of curiosity, which way does the grain run?
Or do they start as rolled tubes?

This is for my "full splice" furniture leg app, not cues yet. but have been considering for cues after seeing Joey's advice.

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04-04-2020, 01:29 PM

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Getting ready to turn/thread some inserts.
Out of curiosity, which way does the grain run?
Or do they start as rolled tubes?

This is for my "full splice" furniture leg app, not cues yet. but have been considering for cues after seeing Joey's advice.

Thanks!

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Depends. Some start out layered, some start out rolled. Better to say what you have to get a correct answer.
  
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04-04-2020, 02:35 PM

rolled and molded would the best...........imo

less chance of splitting when you get into smaller sizes.
  
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04-04-2020, 02:57 PM

X2 for rolled and molded.


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04-05-2020, 08:42 AM

Thanks guys.
I guess rolled was what seemed right, but usual impatience driving this.
Have plenty of canvas and linen phenolic blocks, so sawed & turned some rods to run on the turret lathe. Will probably complete for the furniture legs. Grain is "longways" so more prone to splitting, but at least not in layers.

I will order rolled tubes for cues.

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04-05-2020, 08:49 AM

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rolled and molded would the best...........imo

less chance of splitting when you get into smaller sizes.
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Thanks guys.
I guess rolled was what seemed right, but usual impatience driving this.
Have plenty of canvas and linen phenolic blocks, so sawed & turned some rods to run on the turret lathe. Will probably complete for the furniture legs. Grain is "longways" so more prone to splitting, but at least not in layers.

I will order rolled tubes for cues.

Thanks!
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For shaft inserts, buy the rod stock. Not preformed tubes, which are generally larger than needed for inserts. Collars and such.
  
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04-05-2020, 01:08 PM

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For shaft inserts, buy the rod stock
Hmmm.... will have to dig deeper. Initial searches just showed rod from flat lam material, which was the reason i "rolled" my own, so to speak - ripped some sheet and turned short sections of rod on the lathe.

This is close to what i need for furniture project, if i step up from #10 bolt, to 1/4" bolt

https://www.usplastic.com/catalog/it...d=35434&catid=

For cues i use 3/8"-10 joint, so this is what i was planning to keep on hand.
More or less "just-in-case" because so far wood without insert works ok. I saturate with super glue, and then wax. But i see a lot of you guys use inserts and it's a good idea.

https://www.usplastic.com/catalog/it...d=35439&catid=

Thanks for the advice and info!
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Edited - OK. More search, found Atlas billiard sells the rolled rod. Thanks!

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04-05-2020, 01:40 PM

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Hmmm.... will have to dig deeper. Initial searches just showed rod from flat lam material, which was the reason i "rolled" my own, so to speak - ripped some sheet and turned short sections of rod on the lathe.

This is close to what i need for furniture project, if i step up from #10 bolt, to 1/4" bolt

https://www.usplastic.com/catalog/it...d=35434&catid=

For cues i use 3/8"-10 joint, so this is what i was planning to keep on hand.
More or less "just-in-case" because so far wood without insert works ok. I saturate with super glue, and then wax. But i see a lot of you guys use inserts and it's a good idea.

https://www.usplastic.com/catalog/it...d=35439&catid=

Thanks for the advice and info!
smt

Edited - OK. More search, found Atlas billiard sells the rolled rod. Thanks!

Last sentence is perfect. Make sure you specify rolled and molded. They sell both.


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04-05-2020, 04:57 PM

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For shaft inserts, buy the rod stock. Not preformed tubes, which are generally larger than needed for inserts. Collars and such.
Sorry, not accurate .
And I've tried both rods and tubes.
I hate the rods .
Hate working with them as well.

I also use the tube kind for A-joint reinforcement.
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04-05-2020, 07:52 PM

Printed receipt says "rolled & molded" .562 dia x 48" length.
Hope the order packer gets it right.

Per tube vs rod - appreciate the info both ways. I'm pretty familiar with tube & have larger sizes on hand from "other sources". But not many others stock rolled/molded rod, for which i could have other applications, so will be glad to have both on hand. For instance, tube is not made small enough for #12 & smaller bolts.

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04-06-2020, 07:03 AM

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Sorry, not accurate .
And I've tried both rods and tubes.
I hate the rods .
Hate working with them as well.

I also use the tube kind for A-joint reinforcement.
Care to send me the link for what youíre using? Iíve found a couple options. One is a paper phenolic. The other doesnít give that info, looks like linen to me. But everything Iíve found on cue parts websites is .625 ID.
  
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04-06-2020, 09:13 AM

Not Joey, but go to the links i posted in my 2nd post. Then search on that site. (IOW, bring up first link, then click on "back to group")
You can get about any combination. Canvas or linen. (or paper or other) Only problem for my current furniture need, they don't make holes smaller than 3/16". I've uses phenolic for years as a machinist. It's brand new to me for cues. I've appreciated all the advice received here on many subjects.

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Sorry, not accurate .
And I've tried both rods and tubes.
I hate the rods .
Hate working with them as well.

I also use the tube kind for A-joint reinforcement.
Thanks...more for me

The linen based should be listed as LE material. The big cue builder supplier I believe just calls it rolled and molded. They specify if it is canvas.
I've messed around with some paper based for different projects and although it machines well I didn't care for the inability of it to not crack easier than the linen based in the tests I did.
  
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04-06-2020, 01:34 PM

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Not Joey, but go to the links i posted in my 2nd post. Then search on that site. (IOW, bring up first link, then click on "back to group")
You can get about any combination. Canvas or linen. (or paper or other) Only problem for my current furniture need, they don't make holes smaller than 3/16". I've uses phenolic for years as a machinist. It's brand new to me for cues. I've appreciated all the advice received here on many subjects.

thanks!

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3/16 wall with 3/16 hole works.
  
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04-06-2020, 04:01 PM

I buy 1/2 inch phenolic rod LE or tube LE and use a 1 3/4 length to glue in the shaft ........ drill it and tap it.......... works great

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