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What is the Difference between solid wood joint and metal joint - 01-18-2020, 03:37 PM

Out of Curiosity what is the Difference between a wood to wood joint and a metal joint . They make 2 piece cues with either and I believe that I read that the wood to wood gives a softer hit. Is the 2 piece metal joint supposed to make the cue stiffer for like breaking maybe or is one joint more desirable than another. I see a lot of high end cues with metal joints .
  
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01-18-2020, 04:04 PM

Are you asking, what is the difference, in construction, between wood/wood and metal/metal joint that may affect feel? Or are you just asking the difference between the feel of each joint?


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01-18-2020, 04:19 PM

Metal is much harder


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01-18-2020, 04:55 PM

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Metal is much harder
Is metal much harder than "ironwood"?

LOL.

Are you meaning the "hit" feels "harder"?

I have quite a few cues and I "think" that my cues with flat-faced wood-to-wood joints have a "softer" hit than my metal joint cues.

It may not be a "softer" vs "harder" kind of thing, but they feel "different" to me.

I "feel" that my wood-to-wood joint cues seem to "flex" a bit more than my metal jointed cues.

Some "people" on here will say that is nonsense, but that's their opinion.
  
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01-18-2020, 06:16 PM

this is a good question
timscruggs was known for his piloted steel joints,like schon,gus,george etc

tony at black boar would do nothing but piloted steel,i think
Yet tim told me that the gig screw wood to wood produced a beeter play

confusing,but Tim felt his big pin flat face steel joint was the best in his opinion

whether he wasthe best i don't know,but everyone respected Tim

I have seen great playersplay both kinds,changing back and forth

i think nobody knows for sure
  
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01-18-2020, 07:50 PM

I've had good cues with both, and bad cues with both.


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01-18-2020, 08:06 PM

I was always afraid to play hard or break with a wood to wood.
  
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01-19-2020, 12:37 AM

The difference is not in the way the cue plays or "hits". It's in the strength and durability of the joint itself. A wooden joint is easier to split with lateral pressure and normal wood expansion. Metal adds lateral strength to the joint and helps to prevent stress cracks. (It can still happen though but you won't see them).

I've had no problem with most joints. I prefer flat faced joints because there are less parts to get loose.


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01-19-2020, 10:10 AM

The linked post from Murray Tucker describes an experiment that targeted playing characteristics of different joint constructions.

https://forums.azbilliards.com/showp...4&postcount=11
  
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What is the Difference between solid wood joint and metal joint - 01-19-2020, 10:34 AM

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The linked post from Murray Tucker describes an experiment that targeted playing characteristics of different joint constructions.



https://forums.azbilliards.com/showp...4&postcount=11


Excellent info on your link. I personally seem to prefer a flat faced big pin joint. In all fairness if I pick up a cue and like it no matter what the joint is I can start using it. Iíll adjust to it.

Currently my player is a Josey sneaky. Itís a radial pin with 13mm shaft. Iíve shot with it for more than 2 years. The other cue I have is a Scruggs sneaky. The joint has plastic collars and piloted. Itís shaft is 13.25mm. I seem to be able to juice the ball easier with it but I return to the Josey. I feel I could quickly get used to the Scruggs though. Both cues are do for a tip and will get the same replacement. Iíll make a better assessment then.

My thinking is find a cue you like regardless of the joint.

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01-19-2020, 11:00 AM

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The linked post from Murray Tucker describes an experiment that targeted playing characteristics of different joint constructions.

https://forums.azbilliards.com/showp...4&postcount=11
That was a very interesting test that John McChesney set up and reported on in June of 1999.

Here is the header and the start of the posting for the historians among us ...
From: John McChesney (j...@texasexpress.com)
Subject: Re: Metal joint VS wood to wood joint?
Newsgroups: rec.sport.billiard
Date: 1999/06/14

Here's something interesting we tried in 1991:
rec.sport.billiard was a text-only discussion group that predated AZB. I was sorry to see it die, but innerwebz technology moved on.


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01-19-2020, 11:15 AM

Bob, of the 2 wood joint cues that people liked the hit of the most, what tip and ferrule was used on those two cues?
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01-19-2020, 11:47 AM

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Bob, of the 2 wood joint cues that people liked the hit of the most, what tip and ferrule was used on those two cues?
Thanks,
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I have no idea since I wasn't there. The tests were done in 1991 so you can cross quite a few tips off your list. For the tips, I think there are only two things that could make a difference: hardness and elasticity. I don't know of any tip company that publishes these two important numbers.


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01-19-2020, 12:18 PM

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Bob, of the 2 wood joint cues that people liked the hit of the most, what tip and ferrule was used on those two cues?
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The ferrule on the Scruggs was the old Aegis/melamine . It was the real clean G-7.
Probably the best hard ferrule ever.


  
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01-20-2020, 05:38 PM

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I've had good cues with both, and bad cues with both.
This!, all depends on wood chic, construction technique, balance point/ weight, down to specific the makers taper used on the butt and shaft... So many variables, I have had more stiff hitting cues with 3/8-10 wood to wood joint personally, and hit with quite a few soft whippy hitting cues with a piloted 5/16-14 joint. Then there was my Huebler with a flat faced 5/16-18 steel joint that hit stiff... Many differences many variables, Talk to some players try their cues out if the are willing, and spend sometime reading reviews on certain makers cues. Just remember feeling is subjective to everyone.


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