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House Dem now sees no 'value' in impeachment. - 11-26-2019, 05:59 AM

The dam is starting to leak.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hou...ant-to-censure

Michigan Democratic Rep. Brenda Lawrence, a prominent supporter of Kamala Harris who has previously supported the impeachment inquiry into President Trump, abruptly announced Sunday that she no longer saw any "value" in the process and called for her fellow Democrats to throw their support behind a symbolic censure resolution.

Lawrence's about-face came as polls have shown that independents are souring on the idea of impeaching and removing Trump from office, including in critical battleground states like Wisconsin, even as House Democrats aggressively presented their poll-tested "bribery" case against the president over the past two weeks.


"We are so close to an election," Lawrence said Sunday on a Michigan radio program, noting that Trump stands little chance of being convicted by the GOP-controlled Senate. "I will tell you, sitting here knowing how divided this country is, I don't see the value of taking him out of office. But I do see the value of putting down a marker saying his behavior is not acceptable. It's in violation of the oath of office of a president of the United States, and we have to be clear that you cannot use your power of the presidency to withhold funds to get a foreign country to investigate an American citizen for your own personal gain. There's no way around that."

Lawrence continued: "I want him censured. I want it on the record that the House of Representatives did their job and they told this president and any president coming behind him that this is unacceptable behavior and, under our Constitution, we will not allow it. ... I am a Democrat, but I am an independent United States of America citizen."

Lawrence occupies a safely Democratic district that includes eastern Detroit, and her reluctance to move forward with impeachment suggested that moderate Democrats in swing districts may also be getting cold feet now that all scheduled hearings in the probe wrapped up last week.

Recent surveys indicate that even Democratic voters are losing interest in impeachment. Meanwhile, 50 percent of independents questioned in an NPR/PBS/Marist poll conducted Nov. 11-15 did not support impeaching and removing Trump from office, with just 42 percent backing such a move. That’s a noticeable dip in support compared with the previous NPR/PBS/Marist poll – conducted the first week in October – when support stood at 45 percent.

And, a Gallup poll conducted the first two weeks of November indicated that 45 percent of independent voters supported impeaching and removing the president – with 53 percent opposing the move. That’s a switch from October, when the previous Gallup survey put the split at 53-44 percent.

Michigan Democratic Rep. Brenda Lawrence said she no longer sees any "value" in impeachment, and called for a censure resolution. (House of Representatives)
Michigan Democratic Rep. Brenda Lawrence said she no longer sees any "value" in impeachment, and called for a censure resolution. (House of Representatives)
Republicans could also use a Senate trial to turn the tables and damage Democrats politically, should the House vote to impeach.

The Washington Examiner noted that in a radio interview Oct. 4, before support for impeachment fell sharply, Lawrence was far more supportive of the proceedings against the president.

"I feel strongly that for my legacy, for my time in history, sitting here at this table with an oath of office to protect this country, to protect the democracy of the United States of America, I cannot sit silent, that I must move forward with [impeachment] because this is egregious," Lawrence said in October.

The House is now comprised of 431 members, meaning Democrats need 217 yeas to impeach Trump. There are currently 233 Democrats, so Democrats can only lose 16 of their own and still impeach the president. 31 House Democrats represent more moderate districts that Trump carried in 2016.


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11-26-2019, 06:54 AM

"Value", "credibility" whatever.
  
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11-26-2019, 07:05 AM

The dam is solid as a rock. She didn’t say she wouldn’t vote for impeachment, she just thinks there is a better solution.
  
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11-26-2019, 07:19 AM

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The dam is solid as a rock. She didn’t say she wouldn’t vote for impeachment, she just thinks there is a better solution.
I laughed out lout at this … thanks for the comedy GOLD!!!


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11-26-2019, 07:52 AM

The internal polling must be souring.

There are a lot of democrat seats in jeopardy.

Pelosi does not want to surrender the gavel.


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The internal polling must be souring.

There are a lot of democrat seats in jeopardy.

Pelosi does not want to surrender the gavel.
Sorry, but he will be impeached. It’s just a matter of when. They may wait a little longer for more testimony. These are fun times.
  
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Sorry, but he will be impeached. It’s just a matter of when. They may wait a little longer for more testimony. These are fun times.
Were you betting on collusion too? I too think he will be impeached. It will then be sent over to the Senate, not only will Trump be acquitted, he will be completely exonerated. I do get it, it's a very embarrassing time to be a democrat!! Buck up, it'll get better for your party in 2024....maybe...


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Were you betting on collusion too? I too think he will be impeached. It will then be sent over to the Senate, not only will Trump be acquitted, he will be completely exonerated. I do get it, it's a very embarrassing time to be a democrat!! Buck up, it'll get better for your party in 2024....maybe...
He will be acquitted but not exonerated. Fun times.
  
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Sorry, but he will be impeached. It’s just a matter of when. They may wait a little longer for more testimony. These are fun times.
You do realize when Trump is found not guilty in the senate then there is no impeachment.

Just like when somebody is found not guilty in any other trial. The charges and accusations go away.
That is what history records.


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You do realize when Trump is found not guilty in the senate then there is no impeachment.

Just like when somebody is found not guilty in any other trial. The charges and accusations go away.
That is what history records.
Sadly, I don't think he has a grasp of that.


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Fun times.
I agree, it is fun times!! Watching all your kind squirm and cry the last 3 years has been the most beautiful political notion this country has seen in decades. This whole sham is just the 'final act' of desperation by the democrats....and like everything else they've done since Nov 8th 2016, it has blown up in their faces..... Your President will be exonerated.

Just an FYI, I am not a Republican, nor 'was' I a Trump supporter. I am the classic 'swing voter', very much middle of the road & independent. I voted for him in 2016 ONLY because I was very anti-clinton. However, the last 3 years of the democrat meltdown, and their blatant displays of idiocy, bending laws to 'attempt' to unseat a duly elected president, and the justifying these purely partisan activities has taken the party to new & unprecedented lows. Unlike 2016, where I voted for Trump as the 'lesser evil', he earned my vote in 2020. There's a lot more that feel that way then you and your loony dems think.

Yea, fun times for sure!! I bet you're really enjoying it, aren't you.....buck up, 2024 might start a path toward recovery for you!!


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Were you betting on collusion too? I too think he will be impeached. It will then be sent over to the Senate, not only will Trump be acquitted, he will be completely exonerated. I do get it, it's a very embarrassing time to be a democrat!! Buck up, it'll get better for your party in 2024....maybe...
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You do realize when Trump is found not guilty in the senate then there is no impeachment.

Just like when somebody is found not guilty in any other trial. The charges and accusations go away.
That is what history records.
Do you realize the impeachment is done in the House and the trial is done in the Senate?
He will be fully impeached in the House.
  
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Sadly, I don't think he has a grasp of that.
Sadly, you don’t know what impeachment is.
  
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