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08-29-2019, 04:39 AM

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Depends on the buyer as far as shaft diameter is concerned.

Is anybody "authorized" to reproduce the JW logo or parts?

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Why would the logo need to be re-produced? I don't think op said butt-cap was broken.
  
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Jw - 08-29-2019, 06:19 AM

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Why would the logo need to be re-produced? I don't think op said butt-cap was broken.
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08-29-2019, 07:59 AM

This "authorized" maker is a scam. Either you get shafts made by the maker or you are buying replacement shafts, not NOS.


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08-29-2019, 08:06 AM

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This "authorized" maker is a scam. Either you get shafts made by the maker or you are buying replacement shafts, not NOS.
Agreed. Even if the original builder makes new shafts, they're not original to the cue.

I'm good friends with Cory Barnhart; and he's an "authorized" person to work on Scruggs cues. If I have him build me another shaft for my Scruggs SP, even though it may have Timmy's taper, it's still a Barnhart shaft.

It's about being honest. So many have problems with that, nowadays.

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08-29-2019, 09:13 AM

JV is absolutely correct about the shaft sizes and ultimate cue value.

There are going to be players that like thin shafts. That’s okay I suppose.

Then there’s the remainder of the cue buying world and it’s just not so.

12.5 is pushing it with maple shafts because of the taper’s flexibility.

Revo is offering it and other CF manufacturers too but it is not wood.

The market responds to 12.75 to 13mm shafts so much better than smaller.

Shafts from a 3rd party render the cue more playable but add nothing to its value.

So pay close attention to experts like JV or else accept the monetary risks you’d incur.


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08-29-2019, 09:21 AM

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JV is absolutely correct about the shaft sizes and ultimate cue value.

There are going to be players that like thin shafts. Thatís okay I suppose.

Then thereís the remainder of the cue buying world and itís just not so.

12.5 is pushing it with maple shafts because of the taperís flexibility.

Revo is offering it and other CF manufacturers too but it is not wood.

The market responds to 12.75 to 13mm shafts so much better than smaller.

Shafts from a 3rd party render the cue more playable but add nothing to its value.

So pay close attention to experts like JV or else accept the monetary risks youíd incur.


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08-29-2019, 09:32 AM

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This "authorized" maker is a scam. Either you get shafts made by the maker or you are buying replacement shafts, not NOS.
You seem to be talking about something different. In the case of Scruggs, certain people are authorized to reapply his logo to cues made by him. I think the question was whether anyone is authorized for that by Stroud. Any shaft which is made by another maker should be listed as such.

It is getting tougher and tougher to find full shafts made by those who no longer make cues. I would consider 12.4 still playable on a 40 year old cue. Once it gets to 12mm or less my interest is pretty much gone.

By the sound of this cue, I would think 1,500+. Ivory joint and veneers make up for the fact that it doesn't have inlays.
  
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08-29-2019, 09:57 AM

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I agree if carbon fiber shafts came in larger diameters. They would sell twice as many.


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You seem to be talking about something different. In the case of Scruggs, certain people are authorized to reapply his logo to cues made by him.
That is another scam, logoing a unmarked cue for instant profit.


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08-29-2019, 11:08 AM

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12.4mm shafts are not shafts. They are joint cap blanks.

Since BS is not in the cue business any replacement shaft will be non-original.

IMHO you are getting a butt with no shafts. 800-1000

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Do you see many 40 and 50 year old shafts that are still 'straight'? Or doesnt that matter to collectors. I
wanted to play with mine so i had new shafts made for my '72 by a different cuemaker who did use original linen phenolic for the rings. I. Like to think its more valuable than 1200.
  
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08-29-2019, 11:15 AM

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Why would the logo need to be re-produced? I don't think op said butt-cap was broken.
It was just a passing thought. Such a person would likely be the person to go to for replacement shafts as well as they may have the original specs for taper etc.


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08-29-2019, 11:19 AM

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That is another scam, logoing a unmarked cue for instant profit.
Re-mark. As in for replacement of a butt cap. Not marking an unmarked cue.

That's not a scam. It's a legitimate repair from someone authorized to use a trademark. A maker would only authorize someone he trusted with his mark. That means something.

If a maker is authorized they may also have the original shaft taper info.

Not original, but better than some random maker's idea of what the shaft should be as far as maintaining the cue to as close to original as possible.

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08-29-2019, 11:54 AM

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That is another scam, logoing a unmarked cue for instant profit.
I feel like we aren't even talking to each other. If I send Frey a Scruggs cue which needs a new butt cap, he will replace the butt cap and add Scruggs logo. He won't add the logo to a cue which was unmarked in the first place.
  
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08-29-2019, 02:26 PM

You would be surprised, there are quite a few. What is more surprising is the wide range of opinions of shaft straightness and expectations. You would be shocked at how many people want "laser" straight shafts, original , to a 50 year old cue. They have no idea about what an acceptable tolerance should be. I mean getting straight Szamboti shafts, possible and probable. Getting dead straight Palmer or Paradise shafts to a cue, lucky AF.

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You would be surprised, there are quite a few. What is more surprising is the wide range of opinions of shaft straightness and expectations. You would be shocked at how many people want "laser" straight shafts, original , to a 50 year old cue. They have no idea about what an acceptable tolerance should be. I mean getting straight Szamboti shafts, possible and probable. Getting dead straight Palmer or Paradise shafts to a cue, lucky AF.

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IMO unless you just buy to hold onto shafts are an expendable item. I wouldn't expect too many 40+ yr. old cues to have really nice original shafts. These things were meant to be used,not abused, but played with and enjoyed not just put away to look at.
  
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