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09-16-2019, 10:55 AM

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I deny that the way people identify means anything other than maybe a scream out for some mental health care.

Yes there are some messed up minds. But this doesn't alter gender. If you think that's a weak understanding capability on my part that's your prerogative. Not really much matter on my end.
Even if you think it's a mental health issue, you can't deny it.

You have demonstrated that sufficiently.

The only question now is the number.

100?

I am confident I have not heard of 100.
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Even if you think it's a mental health issue, you can't deny it.


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Did I deny that it's a mental health issue?

"Identifying" is a made up thing like ADS. It's a hijack of language and an affront on logic. In short it's silly and I'm not dignifying it.


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Did I deny that it's a mental health issue?

"Identifying" is a made up thing like ADS. It's a hijack of language and an affront on logic. In short it's silly and I'm not dignifying it.
Right. OK.

Thank God you aren't a health care professional. Callous uncaring people tend not to do well in such fields.

Not sure what ADS is...but I am guessing you mean some diagnosis.

ADD?


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09-16-2019, 12:23 PM

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Yet you can't deny the are a number of ways people identify. That's a fact.

The limitations of your understanding don't change that.
1. They are not of sound mind if they don't "identify" by what was originally on their birth certificate
2. If there is anything other than "male" or "female" on their birth certificate, their parents are likely guilty of child abuse
3. Supporting such a delusion brought on by mental illness does not treat it. It is still a delusion. Desire, or mental illness, cannot change one's gender. Genetics are funny things. No amount of drugs, therapy, or surgery can remove or implant a "y" chromosome.
4. Just because somebody is mentally ill and thinks that they are something they are not, does not mean that I have to acknowledge anything beyond the fact that they are mentally ill.


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09-16-2019, 12:43 PM

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Right. OK.

Thank God you aren't a health care professional. Callous uncaring people tend not to do well in such fields.

Not sure what ADS is...but I am guessing you mean some diagnosis.

ADD?
I fix cars. They don't have feelings.

When people first started trying to catalog fidgety low intellect children I heard it called attention deficit syndrome commonly. I guess I lost track of it after that and some shrink eventually named it a disorder or ADD. I guess when it became an official disease it had to have a more official sounding name than "my kid's kind of slow".

Can't have insurance fork out money for something that doesn't sound official now can we? Let's get them on drugs ASAP. Grooming the next mass shooters.


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09-16-2019, 01:11 PM

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Do you or not see their dysphoria as a mental health issue?
Do you or not see bigotry as a mental health issue?

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Do you or not see bigotry as a mental health issue?

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How is it bigotry?? Intolerance?

I'm not intolerant of anyone who has a gender identity disorder.... no more than I'm intolerant of anyone with obesity, or anorexia, or attention deficit, or PTSD......


file:///C:/Users/jcohen/Downloads/AP...-Dysphoria.pdf

Chops point must've went right over my head. Yes, there are over 100 gender identities that (some) people identify with beyond just "I'm a male" and "I'm a female".

I thought the point of the article was telling this to little kids? Did I miss something?


I mean..... sure you can vote for this to be taught in schools to kids..... just make sure you hit the mark when you tell them the suicide rate in the transgender community is upwards of 40%.
  
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09-16-2019, 01:54 PM

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Do you or not see their dysphoria as a mental health issue?
I'm certainly not qualified to know whether people who perceive their 'gender identity' as being something other than male or female in strict accordance with the sex organs they were born with all require mental health 'care' which is what I actually commented upon.

I have a wholly unqualified observational layman's suspicion, and no more than that, that some people born with clearly defined male or sex organs may also be born with some kind of wires crossed elsewhere in their genetic make-up which makes it very likely (if not inevitable) that at some stage they will fail to self identify with the gender which those sex organs would in a literal sense define them to be. I wouldn't place them in the mental health bracket you seem to have in mind. I suspect some of those people might develop mental health issues due partly to dealing with their inherent conflictions as opposed to developing conflictions due to them having a mental health issue.

I have a similar suspicion that on the other hand there are probably plenty other people who for one reason or another are not actually born with such wires crossed but nevertheless acquire/develop a belief that they are the 'wrong' gender. Their mental health is obviously one potential/possible important factor in such development.

Hope that's clear now


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09-16-2019, 02:00 PM

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I fix cars. They don't have feelings.
I ran into a guy the other day that said the same thing.

He had been a medic in the military and considered medical school when he got out...except he hated dealing with people, especially sick people. So he became a mechanic.

As far as ADD, I think its a lot more legitimate than the mechanics that sell ladies new gas shocks because their gas shocks are "leaking oil".


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I ran into a guy the other day that said the same thing.

He had been a medic in the military and considered medical school when he got out...except he hated dealing with people, especially sick people. So he became a mechanic.

As far as ADD, I think its a lot more legitimate than the mechanics that sell ladies new gas shocks because their gas shocks are "leaking oil".
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1. They are not of sound mind if they don't "identify" by what was originally on their birth certificate
2. If there is anything other than "male" or "female" on their birth certificate, their parents are likely guilty of child abuse
3. Supporting such a delusion brought on by mental illness does not treat it. It is still a delusion. Desire, or mental illness, cannot change one's gender. Genetics are funny things. No amount of drugs, therapy, or surgery can remove or implant a "y" chromosome.
4. Just because somebody is mentally ill and thinks that they are something they are not, does not mean that I have to acknowledge anything beyond the fact that they are mentally ill.
Clearly you don't understand genetics for one thing.

But there are numerous things you reveal you don't understand. Are you aware that there are no genetic studies done to put male or female on a birth certificate?

I do understand your point of view and where it comes from.

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I ran into a guy the other day that said the same thing.

He had been a medic in the military and considered medical school when he got out...except he hated dealing with people, especially sick people. So he became a mechanic.

As far as ADD, I think its a lot more legitimate than the mechanics that sell ladies new gas shocks because their gas shocks are "leaking oil".
Actually gas shocks do have oil in them. Think of fingering a patient's pooper dry versus a little KY on the glove....the principle is the same.


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Only when it runs out.


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I ran into a guy the other day that said the same thing.

He had been a medic in the military and considered medical school when he got out...except he hated dealing with people, especially sick people. So he became a mechanic.

As far as ADD, I think its a lot more legitimate than the mechanics that sell ladies new gas shocks because their gas shocks are "leaking oil".
in my childhood experiences, those kids were called a "spaz" and they gravitated towards interests that required consistently high RPM's... and they were good at it... they would be the calm one when "normal" kids would be in a state of chaos... the opposite of what was happening in a structured boring classroom setting

there wasn't anything "wrong" with them that needed to be fixed, or labelled, other than to help them find a lifestyle/career/hobbies that synched up with their internal frequency... in my obviously non-medical opinion of course

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Actually gas shocks do have oil in them. Think of fingering a patient's pooper dry versus a little KY on the glove....the principle is the same.
LOL!

Perhaps a poor example. They are not filled with oil, they are not dampened with oil.

And spraying oil on them to show they are leaking is an old trick to sell shocks. I'm pretty confident you know that.


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