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10-10-2019, 07:10 AM

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I have 50 Dale Perry cues I bought from 2006-2008 and never used them.

It was when they had the certificate describing what wood the cue was made of.

Not the generic certificates you get today.



I check them out once a year or two and the finish is still good and they still roll good.


They are some of my favorite cues and I'm a Meucci lover.

Maybe I just love my cheap cues.







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10-10-2019, 07:26 AM

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I have 50 Dale Perry cues I bought from 2006-2008 and never used them.

It was when they had the certificate describing what wood the cue was made of.

Not the generic certificates you get today.



I check them out once a year or two and the finish is still good and they still roll good.


They are some of my favorite cues and I'm a Meucci lover.

Maybe I just love my cheap cues.







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Big difference in "cheap" and inexpensive. DP cues consistently play as good as any out there. I know he pissed people off when he changed his business model but apparently it works for him. He makes some profit per cue and does it by volume. His cnc set-up must be impressive.
  
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10-10-2019, 07:50 AM

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Big difference in "cheap" and inexpensive. DP cues consistently play as good as any out there. I know he pissed people off when he changed his business model but apparently it works for him. He makes some profit per cue and does it by volume. His cnc set-up must be impressive.
Yes, it must really be a top-notch setup.
So what is a wheat-buck, I know something funny about Eddie Wheat, but if someone could fill me in on the backstory.
  
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10-10-2019, 07:53 AM

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"This" meaning the DP threads have been on here for a long time. You think Dale is sweatin' AZ and bumpin' his prices? Possible but i doubt it.
Think this thread has only been going for a day or two. Don't think Dale is doing anything like that, doubt it would be worth his time for and extra $25-$50. More on the line of people have see this and realized they can get a respectable inexpensive cue for a hell of a price.
  
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10-10-2019, 07:56 AM

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Don't think Frey cues will ever be on the same level as Scruggs or Southwest.
Oh, I didn't know that, thanks for the tidbit.

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Dont believe Frey or Scruggs went up in value, especially of you take into account what today's dollar is worth compared to then.

I had 1 Scruggs about 25 years ago - it played great! Had it leaned against the table and it fell over on carpet and the forearm broke. Wanted to cry lol.

Have never seen a cue break like that hitting concrete let alone carpet. Shafts yes, Butts no.
Dang, I bet you did want to cry, I have only ever dropped one cue, that was about 20 years ago, it was a viking, had leaning against the wall, waiting for my turn to shoot, went to pick it up, and it slipped right out of my fingers, hit the concrete floor, tip came off and shaft got some dents, but no explosion.

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I've seen it happen to a Gina and a McDaniel. Exact same circumstance, fell flat on carpeted floor in pool room.
Damn, so any thought on why? all the intricate pieces weaken the butt?
  
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10-10-2019, 08:05 AM

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Oh, I didn't know that, thanks for the tidbit.


Dang, I bet you did want to cry, I have only ever dropped one cue, that was about 20 years ago, it was a viking, had leaning against the wall, waiting for my turn to shoot, went to pick it up, and it slipped right out of my fingers, hit the concrete floor, tip came off and shaft got some dents, but no explosion.


Damn, so any thought on why? all the intricate pieces weaken the butt?
Both were Birdseye fronts.


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10-10-2019, 08:07 AM

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Big difference in "cheap" and inexpensive. DP cues consistently play as good as any out there. I know he pissed people off when he changed his business model but apparently it works for him. He makes some profit per cue and does it by volume. His cnc set-up must be impressive.
Garczar, if you want to see an impressive DP cue ask Cecil J to show you his 'sisters' cue. Just dont mention the drop in value. Dont think he knows. I never said anything

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10-10-2019, 08:50 AM

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Yes, it must really be a top-notch setup.
So what is a wheat-buck, I know something funny about Eddie Wheat, but if someone could fill me in on the backstory.
There’s a couple hundred threads about Eddie Wheat....here’s one.

https://forums.azbilliards.com/showt...93#post1398693


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10-10-2019, 08:56 AM

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There’s a couple hundred threads about Eddie Wheat....here’s one.

https://forums.azbilliards.com/showt...93#post1398693
That thread is gold, now I know about how the "wheat bucks" term had developed, I had browsed the archives, but there were so many threads I didn't know where that term had originated, funny thread, thanks for taking the time to find it for me. Appreciated!


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10-10-2019, 09:02 AM

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Garczar, if you want to see an impressive DP cue ask Cecil J to show you his 'sisters' cue. Just dont mention the drop in value. Dont think he knows. I never said anything
This BP?? What's up man. I've seen both of his early DP's. Pretty sure he knows(and hates) the drop in value. He's gone all hi-tech and playin with a carbon-fiber cue now.
  
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10-10-2019, 11:36 AM

I think cues made by the cue-makers that have suffered reputation damage from their abysmal behavior
and literally larcenous acts based upon undisputed complaints publicized on this Forum and elsewhere lost
a great deal of appeal. Consequently, it has depressed overall interest and demand reducing market value.


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10-10-2019, 05:04 PM

The McDermott Masterpiece cues. $6,500 but it does come with 2 shafts, looks like
a copy of a Filipino cue.

http://www.mcdermottcue.com/m9m6.php

The original ones sold for $3,000 but lost two thirds of their value out the door.


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10-10-2019, 09:04 PM

Wheat, Robert Harris, Krown, and more than a few others have gone down due to the makers attitudes toward customers.
  
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10-11-2019, 05:43 AM

Kevin Varney (RIP) I remember had a rough go for a while, not delivering after promising. I also want to say it was during that time when AZ was still allowing cuemakers (or cue sellers) to use the “raffles” in the for sale section.

Who remembers those? They were fun, I won a couple. But I want to say that Kev was listing too many raffles too often and got behind, and his reputation took a crap.

I believe he recovered from that shortly before he tragically died. He put out a bunch of cues that were owed to people...and then he was gone.

Not sure how the above affected his cues values. I have one of his break cues and it is a sledgehammer. The finish could’ve been better (started crazing).


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10-11-2019, 07:58 AM

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Kevin Varney (RIP) I remember had a rough go for a while, not delivering after promising. I also want to say it was during that time when AZ was still allowing cuemakers (or cue sellers) to use the “raffles” in the for sale section.

Who remembers those? They were fun, I won a couple. But I want to say that Kev was listing too many raffles too often and got behind, and his reputation took a crap.

I believe he recovered from that shortly before he tragically died. He put out a bunch of cues that were owed to people...and then he was gone.

Not sure how the above affected his cues values. I have one of his break cues and it is a sledgehammer. The finish could’ve been better (started crazing).
Kevin Varney cues have actually held their value.
The cues were only $400 to begin with, so there is not a lot of value up or down.
Compared to some of these internet cue builders out stealing money, Kevin was pretty good, and seemed like a good guy just under financed.


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