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$TAKE HOR$E

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One of the last cues I have, and my all time favorite design. Still trying to decide whether to sell it or leave it to my son and when he’s my age he can sell it and buy a nice Meucci :lol: 59 inch cue with two shafts and about 58.5 with the third shaft. Solid ivory joint, Hoppe ring and ferrules...but the best part is cortland wrap, I’ve never seen it’s equal. Any SW, Szam, Tasc, Searing...etc that I’ve ever held doesn’t compare to this one. Crazy it sounds but true it is ;)
 

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Bavafongoul

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Cortland Linen is the absolutely best all time linen wrap ever made and I have it on 4 of my cues.
It cleans up really well when needed & the luster/sheen is easily restored by glass burning the wrap.
Not surprisingly, CL #9 was favored by George Balabuhka as his favorite pool cue wrap and I still
have a 50 yard spool of Cortland Linen Brown Speck wrap that’s impossible to find nowadays. I’m
thinking about having another cue made & if I can come up with the right design, I’ll definitely use it.

Matt B.
 

ribdoner

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always been partial to gals with slim butts and cues with big butts...i'm also a playa if you decide to sell
 

Bavafongoul

AzB Silver Member
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If it is from Gus, it’s kinda rare one since he only made a limited number of ivory joint cues,
let alone any flat faced big pin versions. If skins gets to read this thread out, he’d likely know.
 

WildWing

Super Gun Mod
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I'm not 100% sure, but I am 99% sure :grin:

Possibly a Joss or Joss West as you say.

However, I think I see a countersink in the ivory joint, which was not typical for either. When they did a flat face, the ivory went all the way flat to the pin.

If original, there would probably be a JOSS or JW logo in the white Hoppe style ring.

All the best,
WW
 

deanoc

AzB Silver Member
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my eyes are not so good
is the joint not flat faced?

i have had gus with ivory joints ,flat face and piloted

again it looked like a gus to me,but i would not bet on it
 

WildWing

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my eyes are not so good
is the joint not flat faced?

i have had gus with ivory joints ,flat face and piloted

again it looked like a gus to me,but i would not bet on it

It's flat faced, but looks like it has a countersink in the joint. Here's how a flat face joint without a countersink looks like:

All the best,
WW
 

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skins

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I'll add the other 1% to Patrick and say early Joss because of the pin.. I'd pretty surprised to see two identical pins like Wildwing's and this both with 8 threads, along other things, and both cues not be early Joss.
 

WildWing

Super Gun Mod
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I'll add the other 1% to Patrick and say early Joss because of the pin.. I'd pretty surprised to see two identical pins like Wildwing's and this both with 8 threads, along other things, and both cues not be early Joss.

Actually, both pins are 10 thread, not 8. The difference is the typical Joss did not have a countersink joint surface, as the OP's does.

All the best,
H
 

garczar

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One of the last cues I have, and my all time favorite design. Still trying to decide whether to sell it or leave it to my son and when he’s my age he can sell it and buy a nice Meucci :lol: 59 inch cue with two shafts and about 58.5 with the third shaft. Solid ivory joint, Hoppe ring and ferrules...but the best part is cortland wrap, I’ve never seen it’s equal. Any SW, Szam, Tasc, Searing...etc that I’ve ever held doesn’t compare to this one. Crazy it sounds but true it is ;)
Joss or Jensen??
 

$TAKE HOR$E

champagne - campaign
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I think I been going about selling cues all wrong...this is the way to do it:grin: The story with this cue is I bought it not knowing or caring what it was, I just loved the design. I have never confirmed who made it but have heard every name mentioned so far plus some. I’ve had a couple old Joss cues, very late 60’s to early / mid 70’s and this is not a Joss imo. There is no evidence of a logo anywhere on the cue, present or previously worn off nor has it been refinished, I don’t believe. I never take the cue out, unless it’s to play some on my Diamond at home. I did have it at the DCC several years ago and those that looked at it said anything from JW to possibly a Szam forearm. Two friends of Barry’s said highly doubtful it was a Szam but they’re the ones that suggested it might be a Gus forearm. I was however told that Gus did have the cue because he at least made the larger of the three shafts. I planned on going to the SBE and maybe having Barry take a look but that never happened. I have personally never had anyone like Barry, Pete...etc look at the cue. It’s for sure a 3/8x10 and I tried to get some close ups of the joint face and where the wrap meets the buttsleeve and forearm. The transition is perfect. I do plan on selling the cue at some point but probably not as an unknown. I had it out for 10 minutes at the DCC and turned down $10K, five different people offered $2K immediately...:shrug:

Thanks for all the input and kind words btw
 

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WildWing

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I’ve had a couple old Joss cues, very late 60’s to early / mid 70’s and this is not a Joss imo.

Thanks for all the input and kind words btw

Thank you, great looking cue. And agree, not a Joss. The joint is someone other's.

All the best,
WW
 

Chopdoc

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Thank you, great looking cue. And agree, not a Joss. The joint is someone other's.

All the best,
WW

Yup. Great looking. Not a Joss (most likely). Joss-like in some regards...but similar to other makers as well.

But that is a 3/8x10 pin, which Stroud "invented"...really had made by accident.

Makes me think that it is somehow in that neighborhood of makers. Maybe. Of course, the pin rapidly became popular and quite ubiquitous so it's hard to say it identifies the cue. It is interesting how the pin is installed...and this is a "good cue". With effort there is a decent chance of nailing down the maker.

I can see why it gets immediate attention.

One thing about Joss...it has frequently said they are all marked. But there are a few early cues that were not. I have no idea if any of them were 3/8x10 but I am thinking not....could easily be wrong.

Great cue. Would love to see it identified but I don't know what it is.
 

skins

Likes to draw
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Actually, both pins are 10 thread, not 8. The difference is the typical Joss did not have a countersink joint surface, as the OP's does.

All the best,
H

Yes 10, but only 8 full exposed... There are many makers who exposed 10...
 
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