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Don’t Be Surprised If Trump Is Never Impeached - 10-18-2019, 11:58 AM

Lil Robin may be devastated if he sees this.

I'm sure it isn't on Yahoo.

https://thefederalist.com/2019/10/17...ver-impeached/
  
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10-18-2019, 12:07 PM

It doesn't serve there purpose to actually go through a formal impeachment process with a vote on the floor. Better for them to hold interviews in closed sessions, and leak out tidbits that support their cause.

They can keep this charade going for a year, and it gives them an excuse as to why they are not legislating to the benefit of the American people, along with protecting the moderate dems who won in Trump districts by fooling voters thinking they would work with the republicans.

The sad thing is they want to impeach Trump for winning the election in '16. That is their only reason.


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10-18-2019, 12:27 PM

Interesting read, but the flaw is that there a lot of Reps who will support an impeachment also. The Reps don't stick together like the Dem's do. There are so many that really are livered that Trump has been able to do so much and achieve so much in 2 years that neither party has done in the last 20 years. I mean, take the latest Turkey skirmish, it was going to happen, US troops still there or Not. Trump saved our guys for sure, and negotiated a cease fire within 1 week. The Dem's and 120 or so Republican's just wanted to escalate the event to war.
In short , I don't think they will impeach Trump, but even if they did, so what? He will still be President, and he can still run for office come 2020.
So what's the big deal? Nothing, it is just grand standing and time wasting on behalf of the Dem's. I sure do hope people look at who wanted the endless wars and vote them all out come 2020.


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10-18-2019, 12:33 PM

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Interesting read, but the flaw is that there a lot of Reps who will support an impeachment also. The Reps don't stick together like the Dem's do. There are so many that really are livered that Trump has been able to do so much and achieve so much in 2 years that neither party has done in the last 20 years. I mean, take the latest Turkey skirmish, it was going to happen, US troops still there or Not. Trump saved our guys for sure, and negotiated a cease fire within 1 week. The Dem's and 120 or so Republican's just wanted to escalate the event to war.
In short , I don't think they will impeach Trump, but even if they did, so what? He will still be President, and he can still run for office come 2020.
So what's the big deal? Nothing, it is just grand standing and time wasting on behalf of the Dem's. I sure do hope people look at who wanted the endless wars and vote them all out come 2020.
The House may eventually get around to a "real" impeachment, but it will be another "nothing burger" when it gets settled in the Senate.

The whole thing is nothing more than an attempt to "dislodge" Trump because they have no faith in being able to vote him out of office in a "legitimate" election.

They will do everything "in the book" and "under the table" to win...made up "collusion" BS, illegal voters, voters with no IDs, dead voters, rigged ballots, hanging chads, etc., etc., etc.

The pink pussy hat team must win...AT ALL COSTS!

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10-18-2019, 02:41 PM

Impeachment has no chance, with a lot of moderate dims in the House. And, no chance of conviction in the Senate. Some dimwits thought the Senate plays in impeachment. You idiots know who you are.
  
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10-18-2019, 02:53 PM

The Dims got nuttin better to do but proffer budget and tax busting Socialism.


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10-18-2019, 03:46 PM

Okay, I promise to not be surprised if Trump's not impeached.

But don't be surprised if he is.
  
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10-18-2019, 04:02 PM

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Okay, I promise to not be surprised if Trump's not impeached.

But don't be surprised if he is.
Are you, in your infinite counselor wisdom, willing to bet that he will be found guilty by the Senate?

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10-18-2019, 04:28 PM

Trump is not concerned about getting impeached.

It's all about the Ukrainian servers that the US intelligence agencies used (under Obama) in UKRAINE.

Yes, the deep state D'rats are panicking as their 'spy ring' in Ukraine is about to be exposed by the servers they used.

Who is shitting the bed now, Philly?




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10-18-2019, 04:35 PM

Perhaps a few more democrats that so bound up with hate for Trump will drop dead in the next few months.

Imagine the conspiracy theories.


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10-18-2019, 05:00 PM

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Today the inevitable is starting to seem far less likely. The pros of formally impeaching the president are a molehill next the mountain of cons. If they finish their process, impeach, and yield to the Senate, they become irrelevant. Their constant yammering about wrongdoing turns into a legal process where facts will be demanded and the president will walk free.
There are negatives. However, the House does not become irrelevant in the Senate trial. At all.

The House appoints prosecutors from among its members, who in McConnell's timetable, make the case for impeachment all day long, six days a week, for four weeks in a row on must-see national television. Not entirely in a one-sided way, of course, but they'd put on their whole case first, including the direct examination of their witnesses. Whomever Mr. Trump would appoint to run his defense would get a chance for cross examination, but then the House prosecutors would get a second turn on them the defense cannot rebut, in re-direct examination. (SFAIK.)

His defense counsel might put on their own defense case afterwards, but not necessarily. Because they do not have the burden of proof, they might decline to do that, and rely on their cross examinations of the House witnesses. I don't see how that makes the House irrelevant in the trial. They will dominate the trial, by time, the number of witnesses and exhibits, and etc.


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10-18-2019, 05:04 PM

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Trump is not concerned about getting impeached.

It's all about the Ukrainian servers that the US intelligence agencies used (under Obama) in UKRAINE.

Yes, the deep state D'rats are panicking as their 'spy ring' in Ukraine is about to be exposed by the servers they used.

Who is shitting the bed now, Philly?
This is a wild theory, even on its facial acceptance.

That is, even assuming there is the slightest truth to the idea that they did something along these lines (although there is no evidence for it at all, right?), you're telling me the evidence of this would still exist now, instead of being destroyed entirely long ago?

Explain that part to me. They'd keep it around for what reason? To blackmail themselves, or what?

It makes no sense whatsoever, even granting the original premise of the theory.

But don't let me bother you with logic. A rich fantasy life has its value, I guess.


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10-18-2019, 05:15 PM

It would be funny if it got stalled till after the election and all the democrats pushing for impeachment were voted out.


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It would be funny if it got stalled till after the election and all the democrats pushing for impeachment were voted out.
Speaking of a rich fantasy life...

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Oh what fun it all would be
Then what's to stop us, pretty baby
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10-18-2019, 05:21 PM

There is an argument to be made on whether the Senate even "has to" hold a trial upon the House impeaching the President.

I'm sure our resident "counselor", "The Bot", Lil Robin, and the rest of their gang may argue otherwise, but they have never proven to be correct on anything yet that I've seen when it comes to something controversial.

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Does the Senate have an obligation to conduct a trial of the president if the House impeaches him? With the increased prospects for an impeachment inquiry now that the Democrats have taken control of the House of Representatives, most discussions of impeachment have assumed that, should the House vote to impeachment, the Senate will then hold a trial. This is the logical construction of the Constitution’s provisions setting out the impeachment process: If the House impeaches, then it would follow that the Senate tries the case. This is what the Senate did on the two occasions, in the cases of Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton, that the House voted articles of impeachment.


The Constitution does not by its express terms direct the Senate to try an impeachment.
In fact, it confers on the Senate "the sole power to try,” which is a conferral of exclusive constitutional authority and not a procedural command. The Constitution couches the power to impeach in the same terms: it is the House’s “sole power.” The House may choose to impeach or not, and one can imagine an argument that the Senate is just as free, in the exercise of its own “sole power,” to decline to try any impeachment that the House elects to vote.

The current rules governing Senate practice and procedure do not pose an insurmountable problem for this maneuver. Senate leadership can seek to have the rules “reinterpreted” at any time by the device of seeking a ruling of the chair on the question, and avoiding a formal revision of the rule that would require supermajority approval. The question presented in some form would be whether, under the relevant rules, the Senate is required to hold an impeachment “trial” fully consistent with current rules—or even any trial at all. A chair’s ruling in the affirmative would be subject to being overturned by a majority, not two-thirds, vote.

This is a replay of the argument and related procedure followed for the “nuclear option” that changed the threshold for “cloture” of judicial nomination debates from a two-thirds to a majority vote. When the Republican leadership floated the option in 2005, some made the case that because the Constitution conferring the Senate’s advice and consent authority does not subject that authority to any supermajority confirmation requirement, the Senate rules could not provide otherwise. Some might argue that the rules also cannot constitutionally bind the Senate to a trial of a House impeachment if, in the exercise of its “sole power” to try, it decides against one. In this way, the Senate rule may be “reinterpreted.”

The Senate has options for scuttling the impeachment process beyond a simple refusal to heed the House vote. The Constitution does not specify what constitutes a “trial,” and in a 1993 case involving a judicial impeachment, the Supreme Court affirmed that the Senate’s “sole power” to “try” means that it is not subject to any limitations on how it could conduct a proceeding. Senate leadership could engineer an early motion to dismiss and effectively moot the current rule’s call for the president or counsel to appear before the Senate. The rules in place provide at any rate only that “the Senate shall have power to compel the attendance of witnesses”: they do not require that any other than the president be called. Moreover, the Senate could adjourn at any time, terminating the proceedings and declining to take up the House articles. This is what happened in the trial of Andrew Johnson, in which the Senate voted on three articles and then adjourned without holding votes on the remaining eight.

This discussion does not engage in depth with all the parliamentary possibilities and intricacies. But it is sufficient to say for present purposes that, if the House of Representatives were to impeach the president, Senate Republicans would be in a position, if so inclined, to scuttle any trial.

Of course, this might never come to pass. If Trump were to be impeached, the evidence for his removal from office could turn out to be so overwhelming that it would be politically untenable for McConnell to adopt this course or impossible for him to hold his caucus in line. These outcomes are particularly likely if public opinion at the time swings decisively against the president. Or alternatively, one might hope the Republican leader retains institutional instincts that would kick in and lead him to follow Senate rules and precedent.

But he might not. Republicans have laid the groundwork for rejecting the legitimacy of a House impeachment. The president and his party’s leadership and supporters have repeatedly and vociferously characterized the strong Democratic criticisms of Trump as infected to the core by unremitting partisanship, personal hatred, an unrelenting refusal since Election Day to accept the result of the 2016 election and unlawful or unethical conduct by the Department of Justice, the FBI, the special counsel and the press. And whatever evidence eventually surfaces, Senate Republicans have already shrugged off the president’s appearance in a successful criminal prosecution as “Individual 1,” an allegedly active participant in a conspiracy to violate the campaign finance laws. As the debate over impeachment process plays out over 2019, and as the 2020 presidential campaign already underway intensifies, those advancing this case may argue for letting the voters decide.

Professor Laurence Tribe has argued that the Senate retains a clear constitutional “duty” to proceed with a trial. He grounds that obligation in the "structure, history, function, and logic of the impeachment Power, not from any mandating language." On this we agree: the Senate does have this duty to try any impeachment voted by the House. The individual senators would violate their oath in altogether ignoring the House’s constitutional judgment that the president, having committed impeachable offenses, is unfit to retain the office. For the Senate and a majority to adopt this course is wrong and dangerous.

But such a duty is not the same as a clear-cut constitutional obligation expressed in the text, and, depending on events and their political impacts, the Republicans may be motivated to exploit the difference. If a Senate majority can readily enough accomplish the result of altering its rules and sidestepping a trial, then the opposition can only respond to this initiative through the application of public pressure and the threat of harsh electoral justice meted out in the next election. No one disputes that there is no judicial remedy or other means of enforcing the constitutional duty that Tribe identifies.

All of this may seem academic in the extreme when the House has yet to even initiate an impeachment inquiry. But the country could see a rapid move toward an impeachment and, most predictably after the special counsel concludes his investigation, an accelerated process in the House toward that end. It may not be too soon to ask McConnell and his Republican colleagues whether they support the Senate’s duty to try in full a House impeachment of Donald Trump, in conformity with current rules.
  
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