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iusedtoberich

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I want to reiterate after seeing this initial exchange of emails again, that ANYONE who would threaten to go to a lawyer over a hundred or 2 hundred dollars is a drama queen with no sense of reality whatsoever.

This is by far the farthest thing from the truth posted so far.

heres my first email to larry

Well i have some bad news. I took the cue to the pool room this morning to test hit it with my playing shaft, it hit really solid and played well. until i hit a extreme low english shot and i heard a funny sound. so i held it up to my ear ear and gave it a few taps and theres a slight rattle at the Ajoint but its deffenitly aparent that its there. I dont know what to do about it, ive never had one rattle like this before.

breaks my heart I really liked this cue, but theres no way it acceptable now. How would you like me to resolve this?

I feel horrible.


I went on to offer a Free cue when i get the shop going again a full refund and send him the only comprable wood in my shop to make it up to him.


then heres his response



Trent
There is nothing to work out, and there is nothing to debate. You have MY PROPERTY.... Send me the completed koa cue and the shafts as agreed upon. The paypal payment has been made for the $135 that I owed you for making the cue with MY STABILIZED KOA MATERIALS. It is now done. YOU HAVE BEEN PAID IN FULL...... PERIOD. Paypal Payment Sent (Unique Transaction ID # 62M39456EU690472L) If I want to use the cue as a tomato stake in my garden thats up to me. If you decide not to follow through with this written agreement its breach of contract and theft.

If I do not receive an email with the tracking # for the completed koa cue and shafts by 10 am Wednesday morning (7-25-12), then I will be filing charges with your local police department, and contacting my attorney for the next legal steps I need to take. I will also be posting all of this, so people can see that you STOLE the stabilized koa from me.

Sincerely,
Larry Shaughnessy



heres my response to that BS

I thought I was making a fair offer but apparently not.

I offered to make you a free cue if u supply the material, just to make it up to you. And refund your money and give you some very nice burl woods. I thought bussiness wise on my part that was more than fair.

I have a lot of time and money invested in this aswell, the rings are not chep nor is the phenolic or the pins or the finish. I'm at a lose in this just as much as you.

I urge you to please reconsider my offer. As I do not want a substandard cue to leave my shop.

If you still deam this as a unsatisfactory offer I'm sure we can work it out.


his respones

Trent,
In addition to what has already been stated.......I just want you to know that if I discover that my Koa cue has indeed been sold to someone else, I am not only going after you to recover my property, but your buyer as well, your buyer will never be able to take the cue out in public without repercussions . . . I have also taken pictures of your facebook page showing the the comments and offers you received on my Koa cue during and after its completion. I will be providing this evidence to the police and my attorney.



And he went on to say on here and in email that i sold the cue out from under him im a theif, i stole his property, ill make sure you and anyone who has that cue wont be able to take it in public.

sounds like a real calm person to me.

Trent,
In addition to what has already been stated.......I just want you to know that if I discover that my Koa cue has indeed been sold to someone else, I am not only going after you to recover my property, but your buyer as well, your buyer will never be able to take the cue out in public without repercussions . . . I have also taken pictures of your facebook page showing the the comments and offers you received on my Koa cue during and after its completion. I will be providing this evidence to the police and my attorney.
Sincerely Larry Shaughnessy


all and the rash of emails were sent in one night while i was at work he went off like a cannon.

granted i was mad and said to myself fine he wants his damn property back so back ill cut the cue apart and send him the wood pieces back.

and i posted it with the wrong verbiage

i should have originally said ill disassemble the cue at the rings and send your wood back.


well ive yet again made a good offer to larry and no response 2 black phenolic shafts for the cue so you can atleast play with it.

lets see if i even get a response.
 

LucasBilliards

AzB Silver Member
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People seem to just make opinions on things without reasearching the threads, Trents lack of including the nice emails from Larry in his earlier post speaks volumes. The threatening emails didn't even happen until Trent started a thread saying he was going to cut up his cue, video tape it and send it to him in pieces. That should show everybody who is the person with the mental problems is here..

Ecactly! All the evidence is right here in this thread if people would just read through it before posting they wouldn't have to make a second post saying "oops I didn't catch that I'm with Larry now"
 

punter

AzB Silver Member
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has everyone missed this little gem. That truck this magical mailman is driving is hard to fake
trentproof.png

The video was uploaded on the same days hours after the mailing reciept. Along with the signature this video is the real deal.

Except you never really see him driving it.:eek:
 

Pfnatic

AzB Silver Member
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So you're saying he had enough time to open the package after receiving it at 4pm on 8/6/12, come up with this scheme, repackage everything up, get it back to the post office in time to have it redelivered on 8/6/12 and then film this staged video and post it by 6pm? The video was posted to youtube less then 3 hours after the package was delivered according to USPS.

Yes, I missed that too. The video is posted on 6th August just hours after the delivery. The video is legit.

Arthur Conan Doyle once said - "when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth"

So, only two options remain. Trent did not send the shafts or the shafts were stolen in transit.

The fact that there was clear evidence of the package being opened and resealed with a duct tape, I am leaning towards the package getting mishandled and shafts stolen in transit.

If Trent didn't want to send the shafts, he wouldn't need to seal, open, then re-seal the package with a duct tape. If I am a seller, and the buyer is talking lawyers, the last thing I would want to do is egg this on further by screwing the buyer.

In any case, Trent, your reputation now has become highly dodgy. You would want to pursue a different profession for a while. How about a mail man?
 

jhanso18

Broken Lock
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Can the mods change the name of this thread to "MARLEY-GATE" please. I haven't hit the refresh button like this in a long time.

Those are good point about the dates of the video upload, that I missed. I am sorry, but upon further review now I'm not sure what to think. the video sure does look staged, but that has been addressed to. Either way one of these two is really funny.

I really hope they are working together to bring us all this entertainment.
 

Trent

Banned
People seem to just make opinions on things without reasearching the threads, Trents lack of including the nice emails from Larry in his earlier post speaks volumes. The threatening emails didn't even happen until Trent started a thread saying he was going to cut up his cue, video tape it and send it to him in pieces. That should show everybody who is the person with the mental problems is here..

wrong the thread happened the same night after the emails but whatever I honestly dont care anymore seems the AZ jury has made a rulling I honestly couldnt care less at this point.

AZ CSI new series.

To all you that believe me in sending the shafts Thank you.

To all you that dont ..... thats fine also.

Regardless of how things went, I know I did the right thing.

Thanks,
Trent
 

cuesblues

cue accumulator
Silver Member
In less than an hour my 48 hour ultimatum will pass.
If real liar doesn't come forward by 9:53 am August 9, 2012, I will no longer be logging in to AZ Billiards,
and the entire forum will suffer because of the the actions of one.

It is very disappointing that after all these years my AZ career is going to end over a cue that's worth less than most Eddie Wheat cues in the collector market.
Measureman's Lucasi is worth more than this cue, and it only came with one shaft.
 

Mr. Wilson

El Kabong
Gold Member
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well This has been a huge waste of my life reading all this.....

Seems as though trent is willing to give the blades guy 2 more shafts and try and make this thing end.

Things that make you go "Hmmmmm".
 

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JCIN

TheActionReport.com
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Nothing to add...just patiently waiting for Disco to come through with the goods.
 

iusedtoberich

AzB Silver Member
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1. I must have missed it, where did Trent say he was going to send 2 MORE shafts?

2. Regarding the posting of the video, if it was posted just a few hours after delivery, why did it take 2 days for the link to be provided? I only posted to youtube once, so I'm not very familiar with it. But I wonder if you post a video (as a placeholder), and then go and edit the video, if it will show the original time stamp or the edited time stamp?
 

playpool2

AzB Silver Member
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Why on earth would anyone with the skills to make such a nice cue, agree to build said cue, and add two shafts for under $300.00?

That part alone makes this whole drama seems nuts.

I would think just the butt alone is worth more than that. His wood, my wood or wood I found at the sea shore.

I liked the part where Larry rolled the cue on his table and was completely quiet when it rolled true. No way he was going to cave in and say anything nice.

Folks........ Does anyone think that the truth will magically come forth?
 

LucasBilliards

AzB Silver Member
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Yes, I missed that too. The video is posted on 6th August just hours after the delivery. The video is legit.

Arthur Conan Doyle once said - "when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth"

So, only two options remain. Trent did not send the shafts or the shafts were stolen in transit.

The fact that there was clear evidence of the package being opened and resealed with a duct tape, I am leaning towards the package getting mishandled and shafts stolen in transit.

If Trent didn't want to send the shafts, he wouldn't need to seal, open, then re-seal the package with a duct tape. If I am a seller, and the buyer is talking lawyers, the last thing I would want to do is egg this on further by screwing the buyer.

In any case, Trent, your reputation now has become highly dodgy. You would want to pursue a different profession for a while. How about a mail man?

Unless he knew that since he wasn't sending the shafts Larry would take pics/ video to back up his claim that there were no shafts and he put the duct tape on there to cast doubt on Larry's claim. To make it look like Larry tampered with the package. If the shafts were truly taken by USPS how is the weight of all the newspaper, the butt, and the box equal to what Trent's receipt says? Also why would they use duct tape and not clear/ usps blue tape? I've never seen USPS use duct tape. Larry says he has video of that too and it also shows the newspaper in the box is from Trents local paper. After providing this video I wouldn't bet against Larry really having that video evidence as well. And why would they take the shafts instead of the butt, I'd think they would take the butt and leave the shafts.
 

crabbcatjohn

AzB Silver Member
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here we go again

I want to reiterate after seeing this initial exchange of emails again, that ANYONE who would threaten to go to a lawyer over a hundred or 2 hundred dollars is a drama queen with no sense of reality whatsoever.

The fact is, he wasn't upset about the money at all. He even asked Trent to send him the cue with the problems and was very nice about it. all he wanted was the Koa wood his friend sent him special from Hawaii and Trent with no valid reason whatsoever wanted to cut it up , take a video of it and send him the pieces back. That would make me a little mad too...
So lets get the facts straight here...The wood was special to the guy....
 

berko

Aggressively passive
Silver Member
Here's another possible angle worth considering. These two are in cahoots and the joke is really on all of us.... :eek:

Here's another possibilty: Larry, Trent, and Mr. Wilson have created this drama to increase site traffic and are splitting the ad revenue. #tinfoilhat
 

Trent

Banned
Why on earth would anyone with the skills to make such a nice cue, agree to build said cue, and add two shafts for under $300.00?

That part alone makes this whole drama seems nuts.

I would think just the butt alone is worth more than that. His wood, my wood or wood I found at the sea shore.

I liked the part where Larry rolled the cue on his table and was completely quiet when it rolled true. No way he was going to cave in and say anything nice.

Folks........ Does anyone think that the truth will magically come forth?


I build cues for fun not really for profit, thats all i thought i was doing the guy a favor the cue is true and finish is good construction who knows.

the slight amount of money 260 bucks to be exact was just to cover materials and electricity.
 

Spimp13

O8 Specialist
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Yep i have 2 accounts im also pool nerd.

Good catch and way to show how you feel.

Sure glad i used a second account to point out i was trying to make this right.

Gee Goly.

lol why would you feel the need to do that? To sway the opinions of people if an assumed random poster says that?
 
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