Magic Rack - Pet Peeve

bwally said:

Anyone else out there run across this? Especially with players who aren't used to using a template rack.

I break, successfully, as I'm almost down on my shot my opponent runs over to the table to remove the template rack. I'm used to playing with it laying on the table and in years of playing with one have NEVER had one cost me a game. Most of the time I tell them to leave it on the table and they can remove it when it's THEIR turn at the table. IMO when it's not your turn at the table you should remain in your chair until it is your turn. Otherwise it really could be considered sharking. I don't believe these people are trying to shark they just are uncomfortable with the rack on the table. I actually had one guy say that I could use the rack to my advantage!!

Rant over

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DaveK said:

I never said it shouldn't be removed, the issue is by whom. It should be removed by the player in control of the table, not by an opponent who should rightly be planted in their chair, IMO.

Dave

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easy-e said:

We completely agree.:thumbup:

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bwally said:

And this was exactly the point I was trying to make in my original post..

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bwally said:

I never said I wanted to leave it there, although on occasion I will until I need to remove it. And I would be quite ok if there was a rule to remove it right after the break. What I don't want is my opponent coming to the table to remove it when they should be in their chair. Even worse is that on a number of occasions they have come to the table to remove it when I am down on my shot.

Seems a few may have mis-read my original post..

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Masseyman said:

Here are the rules from the thread;
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=186405

These rules have changed from this old thread!



The rules I received from CSI read a little different.



Was changed to;
....Rule 1.33, Disturbed Balls, DOESN"T apply..... and NO fouls may occur ......


I used to have a link to the rules from Bill Stock regarding the Magic Rack from the CSI website but I can no longer find it.

Would someone from CSI please post the official rules either here on this thread or on the CSI web site please.

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HawaiianEye said:

IMHO, I believe the rack should be removed from the table immediately after breaking if the layout of the balls allow it.

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sbpoolleague said:

From the 2016 BCAPL National Championships Tournament Regulations"

Rule A6-4. Removal of the Magic Ball Rack
The Magic Ball Rack may only be removed by the shooter or a referee.
Rule 1.33 Disturbed Balls, does NOT apply to the act of removing the Magic Ball Rack.
Any balls disturbed during the removal of the rack must be restored.
If more than one ball interferes with the removal of the rack, it is recommended to leave the rack in place until the balls are moved during the course of the game.
A referee may also be summoned to assist in the removal of the rack.

Rule A6-4a. Marking Balls to Remove the Magic Ball Rack
At the referee’s or shooter’s option only, a maximum of two balls may be marked in order to remove the Magic Ball Rack (if they are not frozen to each other or any other ball).
If more than two balls interfere with the removal of the rack or if the balls are frozen to each other or another ball, the rack must stay in place until the lay of the table allows its removal.

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sbpoolleague said:

From the 2016 BCAPL National Championships Tournament Regulations"

Rule A6-4. Removal of the Magic Ball Rack
The Magic Ball Rack may only be removed by the shooter or a referee.
Rule 1.33 Disturbed Balls, does NOT apply to the act of removing the Magic Ball Rack.
Any balls disturbed during the removal of the rack must be restored.
If more than one ball interferes with the removal of the rack, it is recommended to leave the rack in place until the balls are moved during the course of the game.
A referee may also be summoned to assist in the removal of the rack.

Rule A6-4a. Marking Balls to Remove the Magic Ball Rack
At the referee’s or shooter’s option only, a maximum of two balls may be marked in order to remove the Magic Ball Rack (if they are not frozen to each other or any other ball).
If more than two balls interfere with the removal of the rack or if the balls are frozen to each other or another ball, the rack must stay in place until the lay of the table allows its removal.

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slide13 said:

I see them being left on the table a lot, but it bugs me. I think it should be necessary to remove it right after the break. That being said, I'd never get up and remove it when it's not my turn as I realize that could bother someone, unless it had been discussed and deemed okay to do so. I stay in my seat when it's not my turn at the table.

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Dagwoodz said:

I think that, how the rule reads above, is the general consensus here, with the added stipulation that it be removed as soon as possible.

The GIF in your signature drives me mad...I just want the guy to shoot the damned ball..........:angry::thumbup:

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Bob Jewett said:

Well, no, that's not the way it works in practice. Once a table has craters in the wrong places it is more or less impossible to get a tight rack with a normal triangle.

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Bob Jewett said:

We broke from loose racks. And we didn't ever see a really tight rack so we didn't know how they should react. We expected movement on the nine and thought only a bad rack would keep the nine from moving. We were stupid.

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