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02-21-2017, 04:45 AM

I went thru sciatica back around '07 or so after a fight in ER (I do Security). Got lucky with a Phys. Therapist who held Masters Degrees and ran the office who treated me with IR, stretching + exercise, and DEEP tissue massage. Had no issues again till moving a 750+ lbs decedent in '10. LONG story short, after 2 cortisone shots, the 2nd was bad, head Orthopedist is scheduling microdiscectomy 7 days out and he says, "By the way Dave, if this doesn't work don't get mad at me."

Well, I got pretty irate, ranted at him alittle and stormed out threatening to go to Mayo's.

Ended up seeing a great chiro daily for about a month, twice a week for another month, half way thru the 3rd month he tells me we're done. Have been 100% since early on under his care and never returned since March of '11.

Do use inversion table (not recommended by MD or chiro) rarely.

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02-21-2017, 06:29 AM

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So what if I've stretched and stretched, downed three shots, hung upside down, took six months off, forgone shoes, given up pool, tried acupuncture, anti-inflammatorys, began sleeping on my side with a pillow between my legs and I'm still in pain?
Surgery is the very last option.
Do you guys think I should strap in and smash my Camero into a light pole at 48mph or go to a chiropractor?
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Hire 3-4 hookers.
Down a bunch of pain pills, extacy and viagra and hope you die in saddle.


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12-27-2017, 05:26 PM

Thanks for response ... what exercises?

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12-27-2017, 06:56 PM

There have been a ton of great suggestion here. I wonder if you are on a statin drug and if so, for how long. I began developing a host of issues including your problem. I've been off of them for 2 months and I'm back to 100%
  
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12-27-2017, 07:45 PM

So that's what that pain was. Fought that for two weeks. Felt like a dagger to the booty cheek.
  
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12-27-2017, 10:18 PM

I have had chronic back pain for over 30 years. I will tell you what works for me as this is all I have experience with. The nerve is being pinched, thus the pain in your butt, sometimes going down all the way into the foot.

I see a chiropractor once a month for "maintenance". I have found an extremely good one and have been seeing her over 30 years. She has helped me a ton.

I see a massage therapist and get a "deep tissue" massage. She gets in there with her elbows and loosens up the muscles in my lower back, butt, and legs. Usually my muscles have tightened up in my back so they are pulling my vertebra and causing the nerve to be pinched. If it gets bad, like it was for me a few months ago, it will take more than one visit, it took me around 3 (about 2 days apart) before I got relief. If you are getting a "good" deep tissue massage, it won't be enjoyable, as when she starts trying to get those muscles to loosen up, well, it can be pretty tough. It should not be to the point you can't stand it, but it should be uncomfortable. This has probably helped me more than anything on the sciatic nerve problems. I also have found a good deep tissue massage therapist, as not just anyone can give a good deep tissue massage. You will need to be specific when they ask what you are looking for. I tell them it's strictly for pain relief, and I want someone that has been trained in deep tissue.

I personally know several folks that have had surgery, some it helped, some it did not. Some had multiple surgeries and it never got any better. Surgery can be the cure, but it does not work on everyone. Personally, I would explore a lot of different avenues before going under the knife, but that is my view.

One thing I have found thru my chiropractor that has given me some relief when it got real bad, is to lay flat on your back on the floor, and put your legs up in a chair so that your back, thighs, and shins are making a Z, only no slant in the Z, everything at a 90 degree angle. It takes the pressure off your lower spine.

No one knows what back pain is like until they experience it first hand. I feel for you and hope this may help you in some way.
  
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12-27-2017, 10:29 PM

Turning Back Pain and Sciatica Upside Down

Will an Inversion Table Help Your Low Back Pain and Leg Pain?

Written by Lali Sekhon, MD, PhD, FACS, FAANS

Have you heard about inversion therapy? Many people with low back pain and sciatica find that inversion therapy performed on an inversion table provides relief. This type of inversion therapy doesn't require the use of inversion boots or hanging upside down. Although inversion boots and racks are popular, that type of inversion therapy is not for the novice but best reserved for people who are in superb health and athletic condition.
This article is about inversion table therapy—an alternative that doesn't require turning completely upside down!
What's Old Is New
Inversion therapy is not a new idea! In fact, Hippocrates, the father of medicine, witnessed what is now inversion therapy as early as 400 BC. The goal of inversion therapy is to defeat the effects of gravity; the downward force that pulls everything toward earth's center.


Low Back Pain and Gravity
People who suffer back pain and sciatica find inversion table therapy turns gravity upside down causing this natural force to decompress the spine. Inversion therapy works a bit like spinal traction. For example, in a standing position, gravity pulls the spine downward compressing the discs, vertebral bodies, nerves, and other structures. Inversion therapy changes the physical dynamics with gravity's assistance to help relieve spinal compression. The result - the spine is temporarily lengthened and pressure on anatomical structures is reduced.

Other Benefits of Inversion Therapy

Many people report that inversion table therapy is a great way to stretch muscles and ligaments, reduce muscle spasms, and improve circulation. Stretching stimulates the lymph glands to increase the flow of lymphatic fluids; part of the body's waste disposal system. Similarly, cellular health depends on good blood circulation to deliver nourishment and remove waste.
Inversion table therapy also helps to relieve motion sickness and stress. In addition, the body becomes more aware of its spatial orientation and balance when the inner ear is stimulated during inversion.

Plus, it is not necessary for the body to be positioned completely upside down to gain benefits from inversion therapy! Unlike antigravity boots used with an inversion rack, an adjustable inversion table offers the flexibility to choose the most comfortable angle.

Dialogue with Your Doctor

Like anything that can affect your health, talk to your doctor before you start using an inversion table. This is important because certain medications and health conditions may make using an inversion table unsafe. Your doctor may recommend against inversion table therapy if you have obesity, a detached retina, fracture, glaucoma, heart condition (circulatory problem), hernia, implanted device, middle ear or eye infection, osteoporosis, are pregnant, or have a spinal injury. There may be other medical conditions not listed that your doctor may view as a contraindication.
Getting Started with Inversion Therapy

What is the best way to start your inversion therapy program? Slowly - take it easy and take your time! Even at a 15-degree angle your body will feel a mild muscular stretch and the benefits of increased blood and lymph circulation. Most people do not need to exceed 60-degrees as the spine decompresses at this angle. Don't exceed what your body tells you!

Some of the better quality tables include a sliding backrest and a locking mechanism which allows you to combine gentle stretching and exercise movements during inversion. This might include moving the head from side-to-side, stretching the arms overhead, or performing abdominal sit-ups or crunches. Talk to your doctor or physical therapist about how often you can invert and specific movements to enhance your inversion therapy program.


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12-28-2017, 03:57 AM

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I've had it on and off for years.
What I've discovered is that while you're in pain you should avoid stretching or other exercises. That will only cause more irritation.
Once this episode subsides there are a few things that have worked for me in reducing the frequency of attacks.
First, start stretching. Do it at least twice a day.
Second, strengthen your abdominals.
Third, practice good posture.
Fourth, try the Gooner squat. A doctor who worked in Asia for many years told me that Sciatica was just about nonexistent in cultures that squat.
Fifth, eliminate or greatly reduce your consumption of sugar.

I also suspect that inversion might work.
This is the winner. This conservative approach is exactly how I overcame my severe bout of sciatica. When you are finally able to do the recommended exercises, do them and don't skip a day.


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12-28-2017, 05:32 AM

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Inversion.
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12-28-2017, 08:39 AM

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Any suggestions besides surgery? Already had 3 shots in the back, not sure allowed to have more. Told they could only do up to 3 shots in the same spot. Some times no matter how I sit or lay the pain won't go away. Keeps me from sleeping at times. Meds don't usually help. Thanks.

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Let me start by saying, I feel your pain...Literally. As someone who has dealt with back pain for nearly 25 years, I can tell you firsthand, I understand. Now, for my "unqualified" advice. First, think of yourself, your body, YOUR health. Surround yourself with healthcare professionals who are willing to fight for you, even if it means bucking insurance company "protocols." Get proper imaging as to what is truly going on with your back, BEFORE you begin being treated. This is counter to what insurance companies will attempt to dictate, and for the life of me, is the wrong way 'round. I see no sense in being treated for a problem, if you don't have an accurate picture as to what is truly happening in your back. I dealt with a Dr. for nearly a decade, who insisted that my problem was muscular in nature. He may have been partly correct, but I knew that wasn't whole ball of wax. After switching Dr's, I finally got an MRI. Well my back muscle issue/sciatica, turned out to be 3 bulging discs, stenosis, arthritis, mild DJD, and an annular fissure/tear in the disc between the L5-S1. This is why I stress, getting an accurate picture as to your condition, BEFORE getting treatment. Once you know what is going on, then proceed with treatment accordingly. I have had 3 injections, and they did offer temporary relief, because they were placed in the correct location, but it only lasted about 6 months. You should be able to have another series of shots, should you desire, but I believe they have to be spaced by at least 6 months, and I wouldn't recommend more shots without having proper imaging of what's going on, if you haven't already done so. There are surgical options, but as many have suggested, I would consider those as last options, not first options. I am currently combining a few different treatment options, including medication, with some success. Your age, is, and also can be a contributing factor as to what treatment path/s that you follow. I wish you the best of luck.
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Inversion.
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I have an inversion table. 2-3 minutes at a time, 1 or 2 times a day for about a week whenever there is a problem is all it takes.


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Stretching works wonders, especially if you do it in a heated therapy pool. I can not stress enough how much the pool has helped me. Doing cardio first is not an option for people with nerve and disc pain. The combination of the heat and the weightlessness makes you able to do things that you can not on land.

I was wrong when I said inversion table... I can't think of the name of the machine/table right now but basically it stretches the spine by pounds of pressure. Usually they stat you out on half of your body weight. It's similar to spinal decompression. No matter what anyone tells you, it's the best thing on earth for the pain. No pill or stretching can do what it does.

If your therapist or Doctor have not recommended these things to you, go find another one. Many will only refer you to a PT that is owned by who they work for.
I think you're referring to a traction table...Been there, done that. I have also done inversion, and I would recommend being careful with either of those, unless you really know what the problem is. They can however, be helpful for certain conditions.
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Or.
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Down a bunch of pain pills, extacy and viagra and hope you die in saddle.
This is true, I have a friend that suffers with Sciatic nerve problems. He goes to Pattaya for Thai massage treatments every few months and comes back without a hitch in his step, it never fails.


  
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A final thought... - 12-28-2017, 09:04 AM

...As far as Chiropractors go, you should also be careful about considering manipulation/s. The reason most feel relief after a manipulation, is due to the body releasing adrenalin, after a particular joint/area has been essentially hyper-extended. Overusing manipulation therapy, can also lead to a weakening of, or damage to, the tendons, ligaments, veins, tissue, etc, surrounding the area/s in question, which can lead to future issues as well. I will not say stay away, but I will say take everything that you hear in moderation, regardless of ANY particular therapy offered.
Whaddayaknow, another 2 cents.
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