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11-07-2019, 12:28 PM

I'm not as sour on this as most because I see the complexity involved as to why some who choose not to be homeless end up that way. Not everyone sleeping out of their car, if they are fortunate enough to still own a car, or sleeping in a tent is a lazy no good piece of shit. Admittedly, there are bums and always will be, but not everyone that has found their predicament landing them without a rented roof over their heads chose to end that way. If you ever take the time to actually talk to some, you might find out there were some uncontrollable dire circumstances that landed them there. I have met men that had been hard working carpenters their whole life but due to the illness and death of their spouse, then their own medical problems, ended up penniless losing everything due to medical bills. Now they are living out of their vehicles with their little dogs and can only work minimal handyman jobs due to their physical disability from heart attacks they suffered. One such person told me he still owes the hospital hundreds of thousands of dollars fro his and his deceased wife's surgeries. How do you look an honest man just trying to get by in the eye and tell him he has to park his truck (home) somewhere else even though he wasn't bothering a soul?

Rather than think of them as human scum to be discarded like trash, I prefer to think of the situation as an opportunity to solve a problem that we can't and shouldn't ignore.

Homeless shelters are similar to barracks style living and work up to a point, but they are also 100% transient in that none provide long term shelter for people to get back on their feet nor provide a place to call "home" where they can receive mail, or anything more than a place to eat, sleep, shower, and do laundry, with most people booted out every morning to go find work. Therein is a problem because a lot of jobs are not 9-5. If they had a place to sleep during the day, they could take night jobs as janitors, cooks, etc etc. that they can't take because they have no place to sleep during the day. Think about it...... If rounding everyone up and shooing them off is the only solution, then that says a lot about what we have become and not who we are. We solved the problems of nations in the past...... how about solving the problems of OUR nation now?


Why not consider building barracks style housing like we do for the military where each person has their own room, but shared facilities, an address to receive mail, a phone number to receive job offers or interview appointments, an email address, do their laundry, and sleep during the day if needed to work a night job such as housekeeping in office buildings etc??. Even charge low rent from those that have income and pay qualified inhabitants to do managerial, custodial, and maintenance of the communal housing unit. Such an investment by a city might actually work and be healthier for all than what we have now. It is just one idea... but it is an idea for a solution.

Such a model would have to be built on a 100% drug/alcohol/tobacco free environment since all of those create a financial burden to becoming wholly self-sufficient. Wanna roof over your head to get back on your own 2 feet, live sober.



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11-07-2019, 01:17 PM

[QUOTE=our_auctionguy;6513912]I'm not as sour on this as most because I see the complexity involved as to why some who choose not to be homeless end up that way. Not everyone sleeping out of their car, if they are fortunate enough to still own a car, or sleeping in a tent is a lazy no good piece of shit. QUOTE]

Not sure anyone was treating them as scum. But, moving them to a city that pays $400 a month for being homeless is not a bad gig. And the folks there preach tolerance and allow them to live on the street. It's win/win for everyone allowed.

Do we know there are no homeless shelters available in LV? Much of the time, they don't want to live there or whatever and just chose the street. So, if they don't want to abide then what else are you going to do. Get them to the welfare office to collet some benefits if they are disabled. I have ZERO problem with someone that is disabled or down on their luck to collect benefits. Just the ones doing it under fraudulent means.


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11-07-2019, 02:52 PM

When I was a kid in the 50's we had Hobo's come around, they look to exchange work for a meal, we had a leage piece of property. so there was always work to be done.

Several used our tool/storage shed to spend a night out of the weather, most were gone before we got up, we never had a problem with thief, or vandalism. You would have never know they spent the night in out shed.

These men rode the rails from place to place, live in Hobo camps, cause little problem in society.

Little different from today homeless. I wonder why so many "homeless" with strong ecomony, and many jobs?
  
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11-07-2019, 03:06 PM

I'm torn on this issue. So many of the homeless folks out there have acute mental illnesses and/or addictions. On one hand, not forcing then off the streets into institutions for treatment and sustenance seems heartless. On the other hand, forcing them to violates their liberty. I can't stand the government's never-ending and insatiable appetite for stripping citizens of their liberty (particularity the Left, they're just evil in that regard).
I travel a lot and have been to a number of different countries. Homelessness isn't an exclusively American problem, but I feel it is uniquely American in some ways- particularly in terms of politics.
Vegas is one of the worst places of all. I've been there dozens of times and it's always been an issue. The homeless there just seem worse off to me. I chalk it up primarily due to the ease with which they can get booze. It'd be worse if they had a bottle return policy, but it's already severe.
I understand why we stopped the policy of involuntary institutionalization for the mentally ill a few decades ago. But, as is always the case with government action, there are (supposedly) unintended consequences; one of which is what you see on the streets of Vegas and in cities all across the country.
I've been guilty of buying a tallboy for homeless a few times in the past, but have stopped doing it. Instead, I'll occasionally pick up a sandwich if I'm close to a convenience store or Wal Greens for a homeless person. I like beer as much as the next guy, but just feel better about given them food instead.


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11-07-2019, 03:26 PM

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Dang right, push them into the huge underground storm tunnels where many of the homeless live in LV. Of course sooner or later a flash flood will hit and drown most of the rats but that is the breaks!

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'I used to be so hot': Ex-porn star Jenni Lee, 37, is discovered living destitute in the tunnels under Las Vegas - but insists she's happier with the homeless because they are more accepting and 'genuine friends'

Jenni Lee, whose real name is Stephanie Sadorra, was unexpectedly found living in the tunnels beneath the Las Vegas Strip last month

The 37-year-old, who was barely recognizable, revealed her identity when interviewed by a Dutch news program about the tunnels

Sadorra, who is ranked 119th on Pornhub's list of best porn actresses, said she was 'very famous' and 'used to be so hot'

It is not clear how long Sadorra, who is originally from Clarksville, Tennessee, has been homeless or how she made her way into the tunnels



  
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11-07-2019, 03:28 PM

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I'm torn on this issue. So many of the homeless folks out there have acute mental illnesses and/or addictions. On one hand, not forcing then off the streets into institutions for treatment and sustenance seems heartless. On the other hand, forcing them to violates their liberty. I can't stand the government's never-ending and insatiable appetite for stripping citizens of their liberty (particularity the Left, they're just evil in that regard).
I travel a lot and have been to a number of different countries. Homelessness isn't an exclusively American problem, but I feel it is uniquely American in some ways- particularly in terms of politics.
Vegas is one of the worst places of all. I've been there dozens of times and it's always been an issue. The homeless there just seem worse off to me. I chalk it up primarily due to the ease with which they can get booze. It'd be worse if they had a bottle return policy, but it's already severe.
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I've been guilty of buying a tallboy for homeless a few times in the past, but have stopped doing it. Instead, I'll occasionally pick up a sandwich if I'm close to a convenience store or Wal Greens for a homeless person. I like beer as much as the next guy, but just feel better about given them food instead.
Good post CO. I regularly hand out cash to folks on the street. Yeah, I pick and chose to whom I give, I can't give it to everyone. It's like good karma, maybe they eat for a day, maybe a piano doesn't fall on me

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