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This is a subject I have been thinking about much as of late. I believe that full rack bank is # 1 for the following reasons - every ball must go clean and their is not much of any kind of politics with the rack (as in short rack bank). The two other games are the 14.1 challenge and the one pocket challenge, unfortunatley as I have learned if you compete against another opponent in either of these two disciplines the rack mechanics can be and usually are a major factor on the outcome of match play. Take example the 14.1 tournament match play, sometimes it is difficult to get the rack frozen due to conditions, which means at a high level of play the player who wins the lag is a strong favorite to get the first offensive shot. Even if the rack has been tapped after a few matches the rack can be changed with a little help, where as in the 14.1 challenge where the player receives say ten ball in hand break shots the rack does not really matter too much. Of course three cushion is the best game of all in my opinion, the rack mechanics probably do not like three cushion billiards or the 14.1 challenge in my view. Any thoughts?
  
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11-08-2012, 03:31 PM

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11-08-2012, 03:41 PM

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11-08-2012, 03:43 PM

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This is a subject I have been thinking about much as of late. I believe that full rack bank is # 1 for the following reasons - every ball must go clean and their is not much of any kind of politics with the rack (as in short rack bank). The two other games are the 14.1 challenge and the one pocket challenge, unfortunatley as I have learned if you compete against another opponent in either of these two disciplines the rack mechanics can be and usually are a major factor on the outcome of match play. Take example the 14.1 tournament match play, sometimes it is difficult to get the rack frozen due to conditions, which means at a high level of play the player who wins the lag is a strong favorite to get the first offensive shot. Even if the rack has been tapped after a few matches the rack can be changed with a little help, where as in the 14.1 challenge where the player receives say ten ball in hand break shots the rack does not really matter too much. Of course three cushion is the best game of all in my opinion, the rack mechanics probably do not like three cushion billiards or the 14.1 challenge in my view. Any thoughts?
I believe 10 ball is the best rotation game and the best contest. The TAR matches have given us a clear and precise view of who are the best money players too. 10 ball with a Magic Rack gives each player a perfect rack. Their success with it is a skill.

Bank pool is a specialty game. Not everybody plays it. Straight pool is, unfortunately, DOA. I admire players who can play these games well, but they are specialty games in 2012.


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I believe 10 ball is the best rotation game and the best contest. The TAR matches have given us a clear and precise view of who are the best money players too. 10 ball with a Magic Rack gives each player a perfect rack. Their success with it is a skill.

Bank pool is a specialty game. Not everybody plays it. Straight pool is, unfortunately, DOA. I admire players who can play these games well, but they are specialty games in 2012.
I agree with most of the assesments here and yes 10 ball with the magic rack is a great game indeed, by pure I mean what if you don't have a magic rack and in bank pool all banks must be clean. You see I call the magic rack a specialty rack, where as in the 14.1 challenge a normal rack will do fine. I have competed with the magic rack and I like it, sometimes it cannot be removed when needed. Snooker is in my view a form of pocket billiards and yes the rack is not a factor to consider in relation to ten ball or the other disciplines of pocket billiards.
  
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How do you break full rack banks? Wide open like 8 ball?
  
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I would like to take this oppurtunity to apolagize to Justin from TAR for some of the comments I have made directed towards him here on this forum, the match between JS and myself was to say the least interesting. I was honored to have been invited to compete even though there was a communication slip between Justin and myself for the 3rd match. That having been said I guess I will believe him in that I would have been offered the same monetary amount to play the 3rd match that Justin said he raised for JS when JS turned down his offer. I would also offer my condolences to the TAR crew, Big Chad had plenty of heart and I know he loved pool as I believe Justin does also. So again thanks to Duff (Side Pockets - Lees Summitt, MO), Scott Edwards,(Lees Summitt,MO) and all of the TAR crew.

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11-08-2012, 05:02 PM

I agree.It's the one pool game to where you could really just throw the rack away.I don't even check the rack when playing full rack banks.They can just throw em up there however they want when I'm breaking.It's such a relief to not have to worry about getting the balls to rack perfect everytime and all that crap.It's sad when the game comes down to a racking and breaking contest.Think I'll run one at the next county fair.
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I agree.It's the one pool game to where you could really just throw the rack away.I don't even check the rack when playing full rack banks.They can just throw em up there however they want when I'm breaking.It's such a relief to not have to worry about getting the balls to rack perfect everytime and all that crap.It's sad when the game comes down to a racking and breaking contest.Think I'll run one at the next county fair.
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I think that ten ball with a bucket instead of a rack would be a good game. You know, just throw the balls in a five gallon bucket and then dump tham out into the center of the table and the try to run'em out. That's what I'm talking about...
  
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I think that ten ball with a bucket instead of a rack would be a good game. You know, just throw the balls in a five gallon bucket and then dump tham out into the center of the table and the try to run'em out. That's what I'm talking about...
As soon as they implemented that there would be guys trying to figure out how to rig the bucket.

One rule I'd like to see them implement is no touching the balls with your hands after the rack is removed. There is one well known player who manipulates the one ball on every rack if the game is rack your own.
  
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This is a subject I have been thinking about much as of late. I believe that full rack bank is # 1 for the following reasons - every ball must go clean and their is not much of any kind of politics with the rack (as in short rack bank). The two other games are the 14.1 challenge and the one pocket challenge, unfortunatley as I have learned if you compete against another opponent in either of these two disciplines the rack mechanics can be and usually are a major factor on the outcome of match play. Take example the 14.1 tournament match play, sometimes it is difficult to get the rack frozen due to conditions, which means at a high level of play the player who wins the lag is a strong favorite to get the first offensive shot. Even if the rack has been tapped after a few matches the rack can be changed with a little help, where as in the 14.1 challenge where the player receives say ten ball in hand break shots the rack does not really matter too much. Of course three cushion is the best game of all in my opinion, the rack mechanics probably do not like three cushion billiards or the 14.1 challenge in my view. Any thoughts?
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...One rule I'd like to see them implement is no touching the balls with your hands after the rack is removed. There is one well known player who manipulates the one ball on every rack if the game is rack your own.
But most good racks are large enough that "manipulation" of the 1-ball can also be done before the rack is lifted. Just slide the rack forward slightly, finger the 1-ball, then lift the rack.
  
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