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06-20-2019, 06:13 AM

Low and soft is a "drag shot" to me. Players seem to get in trouble hitting too hard, compromising the backspin or getting the opposite, draw on a shot where follow through impact is desired.


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06-20-2019, 08:42 AM

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This is one of those times when a rule of thumb comes in handy. The one I'm thinking of is the "1/6 follow" rule that Bob Jewett mentions occasionally: a rolling CB will follow a straight-hit OB about 1/6 of the distance the OB would travel without hitting a rail.

So in this case, if you hit the 13 ball at just pocket speed it will travel 5 diamonds and the rolling CB will travel 5/6 of a diamond. If you hit the 13 a little harder to be sure it gets to the pocket, the CB will travel a little farther.

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I ended up with closer to 1:4, cb: ob.

It was weird, shooting an ob to the far rail. Prob a decent skill to improve upon.
  
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06-20-2019, 08:50 AM

If I lose , I don't ever want it to be because the table rolled off on me again.
Been there ,done that
I don't care if I miss shape by 3 table lengths, I'm not slow rollin, anything.
  
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06-20-2019, 08:54 AM

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I ended up with closer to 1:4, cb: ob.

It was weird, shooting an ob to the far rail. Prob a decent skill to improve upon.
I think the ratio will be larger if the balls are dirty and smaller if the cue ball is heavy. For short shots it's important to remember that the cue ball starts a ball back from the object ball's location.

Another related rule of thumb for one pocket is that if a ball is between the side pockets, a full-ball bank to your pocket the long way will leave the cue ball frozen to the far cushion. (But this depends a little on how springy the cushions are.)


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06-20-2019, 08:56 AM

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If I lose , I don't ever want it to be because the table rolled off on me again.
Been there ,done that
I don't care if I miss shape by 3 table lengths, I'm not slow rollin, anything.
Or, it might be the object ball. I have an object ball that I can get to roll around a full-ball obscruction. You can't always blame RKC.


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06-20-2019, 08:57 AM

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In the situation pictured, I prefer to use max topspin strike point with a small strike force. I find it easier to control distance with manipulation of speed, rather than a strike point.
It's a matter of personal preference of course, but I'd be wary of trying to play pocket speed from this distance. I'm going to set this situation up the next time I practice to try the various options a few times each to see which one I can do most consistently.
  
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06-20-2019, 10:01 AM

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I ended up with closer to 1:4, cb: ob.

It was weird, shooting an ob to the far rail. Prob a decent skill to improve upon.
Kudos to you for checking it out.

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06-20-2019, 11:01 AM

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Kudos to you for checking it out.

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06-20-2019, 11:10 AM

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06-20-2019, 11:36 AM

Learning draw-drag is essential for these types of shots.

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as mentioned above, I would do a drag draw shot for that...

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06-20-2019, 11:40 AM

Draw-drag shots are hit at all speeds...not just "low and soft". It is a stroke shot that must be mastered at all speeds and distances to be a great player.

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Low and soft is a "drag shot" to me. Players seem to get in trouble hitting too hard, compromising the backspin or getting the opposite, draw on a shot where follow through impact is desired.


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06-20-2019, 11:43 AM

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Draw-drag shots are hit at all speeds...not just "low and soft". It is a stroke shot that must be mastered at all speeds and distances to be a great player.

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And I'll add that watching the whole che/Mills match, simeng hit a very large %of her shots in the manner we discuss.
  
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06-20-2019, 07:15 PM

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I ended up with closer to 1:4, cb: ob
Does that mean your CB followed more like 1 1/4 diamonds with a pocket speed hit?

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06-20-2019, 07:22 PM

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Drag shot is the best option.

A drag shot is hit with backspin, but only so much that the CB makes the transition to forward rolling a couple inches before hitting OB.
Agreed. It's a shot that requires practice. Oddly enough, I've always called this stroke "drag follow" but others call it "drag draw".
  
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06-20-2019, 08:35 PM

I slow roll a stop shot. Just a bit less stop and a bit less power.


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