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06-18-2019, 06:15 AM

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06-18-2019, 07:42 AM

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Baloney. You're soliciting business.
I was honest and disclosed 8 reasons/evidences.

We can sum as "What is wrong with offering free help to someone in need?"


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06-18-2019, 08:08 AM

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"What is wrong with offering free help to someone in need?"
What's wrong with giving it here like everybody else does? I mean, if it's really "free" and not just a marketing ploy...

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06-18-2019, 09:13 AM

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As for offering free lessons, shouldn't that be a self-correcting problem? That is, if I'm a bad teacher, they can see that in lesson one, and if I'm a good teacher who deserves to be paid for time, they can pay me for lessons and get better.
Your post raised a really good issue, Fran--I've finished writing a book of nearly 450 mini-lessons. I was thinking of shooting it for video to YouTube so thousands of players could get free help. Your post today makes me think I'll get accused of "trying to make money" on YouTube. But is that an issue in America? Is it fundamentally wrong to try to sell pool lessons and make an honest living (or side income), since I'm (just being honest here) a very good pool teacher in person, hands-on? I used to charge less for pool lessons, and because of the toxicity here and elsewhere, it took me a while to "get over myself", if you follow me.
PS. I want to be honest, sometimes I offer a free lesson because I see the blind leading the blind here and the other posters take issue with my nonstandard advice. I don't need to be flamed for preaching pool truth, it's not necessary, and I'd rather show the person some secret in private. I can give specific examples if that will help.
The parts I have highlighted in blue are outstanding!
I see nothing wrong with auditioning an instructor. As you say, that is a "self correcting issue".
Examples of auditioning:
"I need a piano player for a wedding...where can I see you play the piano, for pay?"
"You say you're a baseball player and want to play on my team? Then get in the cage and let's see what you can do with the low and away"
"You say you want a job as a sales rep and have been selling xyz product for 10 years? Okay, let me see your presentation."
"You say you have an excellent landscaping service? Okay, where is your next job and I will drive over and watch what you do".
"You are a great fishing guide? I like your deal of no fish - no pay"
I see absolutely nothing wrong with any of that.
Anyone who is afraid to audition has something to hide, in my opinion.
  
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06-18-2019, 04:36 PM

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I was honest and disclosed 8 reasons/evidences.

We can sum as "What is wrong with offering free help to someone in need?"
there is nothing wrong with offering free help
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at least in my case you offered "free" help but it was only to get me to pay for more lessons
you were shocked when i didnt think more lessons with you were worth it to pay for
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06-19-2019, 05:23 AM

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What's wrong with giving it here like everybody else does? I mean, if it's really "free" and not just a marketing ploy...

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T'isn't. I give free help. I've had one-and-done free lessons.


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06-19-2019, 05:25 AM

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there is nothing wrong with offering free help
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at least in my case you offered "free" help but it was only to get me to pay for more lessons
you were shocked when i didnt think more lessons with you were worth it to pay for
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06-19-2019, 07:47 AM

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... (took a hour lesson from a big time pro, got nothing at all from it) so im not sure spending more money going that route is the answer. ...
In my experience the majority of big time pros have no clue about how to deal with fundamentals.

I will be in San Luis Obispo in July if you have no plan to come to the Bay Area.

Try video recording yourself. Maybe you can see something with that. If you go that way, I have some shots/camera positions that are useful.


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06-19-2019, 10:54 AM

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What's wrong with giving it here like everybody else does? I mean, if it's really "free" and not just a marketing ploy...

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T'isn't. I give free help. I've had one-and-done free lessons.
So (again) why not here like everybody else?

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06-19-2019, 11:09 AM

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So (again) why not here like everybody else?

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I do post here, witness Fran's remark that other people bash my teaching--so I must be teaching. Be logical!


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06-19-2019, 12:41 PM

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I do post here, witness Fran's remark that other people bash my teaching--so I must be teaching. Be logical!
You know what I meant. Be honest!

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06-20-2019, 05:08 AM

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From memory, I offered you further free lessons. That offer stands.
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06-20-2019, 06:11 AM

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You know what I meant. Be honest!

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I reread your recent posts again, you meant "you don't instruct here and only shill for lessons," which is an illogical statement.

I'm open to criticism if you'd like to restate your objections.


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06-20-2019, 12:20 PM

judochoke...Like I told you months ago, get a lesson from a qualified professional instructor (one who knows how to do video analysis). That would be your best money spent.

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pretty much playing every night for 10 months at home, things were going pretty good I thought. was running 7 balls at time in 9 ball, (throwing out 7 balls only), and I thought I was ready to step into the next realm of intermediate pool.

well that exploded big time. seems like now I cant even make a shot anymore. dont know what happened. same aiming system, same bridge, same shot routine, same stance.
everything disappeared. almost broke my stick a couple of time I was that pissed off.

(took a hour lesson from a big time pro, got nothing at all from it) so im not sure spending more money going that route is the answer.

so now what do I do? I have books, videos, diagrams, ect ect. nothing is working

how far back to the basics do I have to go to. stop shots for a week straight????

HELP PLEASE


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06-20-2019, 12:23 PM

I "third" that baloney!

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I second that baloney.

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