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05-01-2019, 01:34 PM

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How many years did red labels come with black D k55?


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05-01-2019, 01:37 PM

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Only seen the Championship Fleetwoods on the black labels. I actually just replaced a set of the fleetwoods with Champ. Tour Edition k55, table plays good so far. Lucky the guy lives a mile from me, so as the cloth breaks in I can make a better report on how they play!

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If you're refering to the name plate on the head rail, the black or red has nothing to do with a rail design change, only the blue does. Diamond used different color name plates for different reasons, like the stain finish of the rails.
  
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05-01-2019, 01:38 PM

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How many years did red labels come with black D k55?


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05-01-2019, 01:44 PM

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Only seen the Championship Fleetwoods on the black labels. I actually just replaced a set of the fleetwoods with Champ. Tour Edition k55, table plays good so far. Lucky the guy lives a mile from me, so as the cloth breaks in I can make a better report on how they play!

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I don't know.
But, when I talked to the rep then, he said they had Championship and the height was 1 29/64 at the nose ( iirc ) . It's been 20+ years.
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05-01-2019, 02:00 PM

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9' red label. Never seen a black label with black diamond k55 on it.

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05-02-2019, 09:29 AM

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I have been under the opposite impression. Diamonds are springier, due to the rails being harder. It's spits the ball off shorter....? Softer rubber holds it longer yes, but forces it long, as the ball has a wider arc through the cushion...? Am I wrong here ?
I would think harder would go longer and softer go short. Think about it pushing in deeper at an angle the force would throw it back in the direction it came from more than it would if it barely went in. I am pretty sure extreme soft would cause it to go long as well as extremely hard would.
  
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05-02-2019, 09:40 AM

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I would think harder would go longer and softer go short. Think about it pushing in deeper at an angle the force would throw it back in the direction it came from more than it would if it barely went in. I am pretty sure extreme soft would cause it to go long as well as extremely hard would.
This isn't always the case. See:

HSV B.41 Bank speed effects, with Bob Jewett

NV B.95 Post-rebound spin, angle, and curve for stunned kicks and banks

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05-02-2019, 09:46 AM

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I have been under the opposite impression. Diamonds are springier, due to the rails being harder. It's spits the ball off shorter....?
I don't know if "harder" rubber is the reason for "springier" cushions, but I agree that "springier" cushions make balls rebound shorter (more perpendicular force).

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Softer rubber holds it longer yes, but forces it long, as the ball has a wider arc through the cushion...?
I agree with this - in fact Dr. Dave and Bob Jewett did a video together proving this. It's a small effect, but definitely a little longer. [EDIT: Oh, I see Dave posted a link to their video while was typing...]

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soft rubber - acts like a catchers mit - deeper into the rubber reduces the release angle
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I would think harder would go longer and softer go short. Think about it pushing in deeper at an angle the force would throw it back in the direction it came from more than it would if it barely went in.
This "catcher's mitt" idea has been around a long time, and I can see why, but I don't think it's true based on actual test results like Dave and Bob's.

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