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05-15-2019, 07:04 AM

we have to modify the rules !!!
  
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05-15-2019, 09:47 AM

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all my respect to the past champions :

mosconi , euphemia and cranfield ...

john schmidts 464 is the undisputed world record on a 9 foot table .

because we all have seen it !!!
Engert's 491 was witnessed, too.
  
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05-15-2019, 12:10 PM

stu what would we do without you ?
  
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05-15-2019, 04:42 PM

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stu what would we do without you ?
I'm quite sure you'd all thrive, my friend. Hope you're well.
  
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05-16-2019, 06:18 AM

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I'm quite sure you'd all thrive, my friend. Hope you're well.
Schmidty did 490 yesterday 5/15/19... Missed a breakshot.

he's getting closer to catching lightning in a bottle !


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05-16-2019, 06:34 AM

500 is the mount everest , alone , without oxygen .
cmon john you can do it !
  
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05-16-2019, 07:02 AM

there is no better way to proof a performance , as to bring it on film .
everybody can see it .
i dont care about the rules ,because they are very old and need an update .
and it seems to me that there is no official world record on a 9 footer .
  
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05-16-2019, 11:07 AM

Does anyone really even have rules for straight pool high runs? I always thought we just go by what was ran and Mosconi's 526 is apparently the highest ever officially documented.

This whole 8 foot, 10 foot, 15 foot, 5 foot table stuff is just that, stuff. Does anyone really care?
  
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05-16-2019, 11:35 AM

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Does anyone really even have rules for straight pool high runs? I always thought we just go by what was ran and Mosconi's 526 is apparently the highest ever officially documented.

This whole 8 foot, 10 foot, 15 foot, 5 foot table stuff is just that, stuff. Does anyone really care?
There has been quite a lot of discussion about what constitutes a record-worthy run. I know of no official, written requirements.

The is no longer any records committee and no pool governing body seems to be interested in making one. When there was a BCA records committee, Mosconi's run satisfied the requirements of that committee and no higher run did.

People who understand the game do care about the size of the table. There has been a great deal of discussion of the details of the equipment.


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05-16-2019, 12:24 PM

mr bob jewett ,
what do you think about the rules and the records , personally ?
  
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05-16-2019, 03:04 PM

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mr bob jewett ,
what do you think about the rules and the records , personally ?
As far as the requirement of an opponent to make the exhibition a match, I don't see why that's necessary. So far as can be told, the "opponent" for the match in which Mosconi set the record was mostly there to hold a cue stick and watch, although he did take a few shots. Mosconi had a reported history of not wanting to play against someone who might beat him, but that's OK since the star of the evening was Willie and the people were there to see him play.

Also, some people consider a run to be ended when the pre-defined score is reached. That is not an unreasonable point. Somehow, exhibition matches don't have an "ends at 200 total" rule.

I do think it is reasonable to require the player to play by all of the rules of the game. "Cue ball fouls only" is not part of the rules of 14.1. For that reason, I think it would be a good idea for an exhibition run to have a referee present who takes care of cleaning the equipment as necessary and also affirms in writing that the run was executed fully within the rules of play. A video recording helps with that.

Related to which, there have been reports that some old-time high runs violated the rules. I can understand how, at 333 balls into the run, the crowd might feel that even though Joe may have touched the 7 while bridging by it, he didn't really move it, or when he called the 2 ball he really meant the 10 which was clearly the ball he was shooting at.

As far as records keeping, I think some governing body should do it. None is.


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05-16-2019, 08:52 PM

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As far as the requirement of an opponent to make the exhibition a match, I don't see why that's necessary. So far as can be told, the "opponent" for the match in which Mosconi set the record was mostly there to hold a cue stick and watch, although he did take a few shots..
Yrs ago someone told me that Mosconi was not in a match with anyone when he made his high run but got on a table that had given him some problems and started shooting and the rest is history.


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05-17-2019, 06:41 AM

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Yrs ago someone told me that Mosconi was not in a match with anyone when he made his high run but got on a table that had given him some problems and started shooting and the rest is history.
For Mosconi's 526, it is well documented that it was in one of his regular exhibition matches with an opponent (Earl Bruney). He purportedly had higher runs in practice, without an opponent.
  
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05-17-2019, 08:31 AM

I understand that John is playing cue ball fouls only. Still great runs, but suspect for records.
  
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05-17-2019, 10:45 AM

thanks mr jewett , for your opinion .
always a pleasure to read something about the history of straight pool .
and maybe one day straight pool can get the attention , that this beautiful game deserves .
keep in stroke everybody...
  
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