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08-16-2019, 07:33 AM

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What a worthless poll question. Here it is, from the actual poll:

"Are you or are you not willing to pay more in taxes to ensure universal health care coverage for every American?"

I'd venture to say that, if you put in virtually any statement on any subject after "willing to pay more in taxes," that a majority are always going to answer "no."

The question omits a very important part of the "universal health care" equation. That is, that to a significant extent -- or possibly even entirely -- an increase in taxes would be offset by the elimination of health care insurance premiums, co-pays and deductibles that people pay now. It's possible that many people could actually see an increase in their net disposable income, even though their tax bill is higher. That might make a substantial difference in the results of the poll.
  
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08-16-2019, 07:42 AM

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What a worthless poll question. Here it is, from the actual poll:

"Are you or are you not willing to pay more in taxes to ensure universal health care coverage for every American?"

I'd venture to say that, if you put in virtually any statement on any subject after "willing to pay more in taxes," that a majority are always going to answer "no."

The question omits a very important part of the "universal health care" equation. That is, that to a significant extent -- or possibly even entirely -- an increase in taxes would be offset by the elimination of health care insurance premiums, co-pays and deductibles that people pay now. It's possible that many people could actually see an increase in their net disposable income, even though their tax bill is higher. That might make a substantial difference in the results of the poll.
Some most certainly would. Maybe even most.
The rest, yourself included, would most certainly pay more.
  
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08-16-2019, 07:44 AM

I agree with you on the poll question. People see the word tax and they recoil. Why is that? Seems like we should embrace a new tax. The Federal government has a track record that shows more taxes are good, right?

Here's some poll questions that could be asked:

"Do you believe that the government could impose a tax on you and you would net more disposable income?"
or
"Do you think that the government could impose a new tax that will actually save you money?"




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What a worthless poll question. Here it is, from the actual poll:

"Are you or are you not willing to pay more in taxes to ensure universal health care coverage for every American?"

I'd venture to say that, if you put in virtually any statement on any subject after "willing to pay more in taxes," that a majority are always going to answer "no."

The question omits a very important part of the "universal health care" equation. That is, that to a significant extent -- or possibly even entirely -- an increase in taxes would be offset by the elimination of health care insurance premiums, co-pays and deductibles that people pay now. It's possible that many people could actually see an increase in their net disposable income, even though their tax bill is higher. That might make a substantial difference in the results of the poll.
  
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08-16-2019, 07:45 AM

You think this is bad....wait till they try the carbon tax nonsense.


If you tolerate this, then your children will be next.


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08-16-2019, 07:55 AM

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What a worthless poll question. Here it is, from the actual poll:

"Are you or are you not willing to pay more in taxes to ensure universal health care coverage for every American?"

I'd venture to say that, if you put in virtually any statement on any subject after "willing to pay more in taxes," that a majority are always going to answer "no."

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08-16-2019, 07:59 AM

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Your solution to fight crime is to tax it? Being in this country illegally is illegal, which is the opposite of legal. If people are willing to be here illegally, do you think they'd be willing to obey the law and pay their "fair share" of taxes? Should we just tax shoplifters at a higher rate but don't prosecute them?



Don't get me wrong, I think it's an interesting idea, I just need some more details to fully understand it.
Very refreshing to hear that you have a open mind on the subject!

I am not saying keep violent criminals or people that are not self sufficient!

Just saying, one solution does not fit all situations....

So, illegal immigrants should have various options and penalties! There should be no advantage for violation of the law. Just a bundle of ways to get right with the law and community! A way that benefits the tax payers necessary to approve of such a approach....

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What a worthless poll question. Here it is, from the actual poll:

"Are you or are you not willing to pay more in taxes to ensure universal health care coverage for every American?"

I'd venture to say that, if you put in virtually any statement on any subject after "willing to pay more in taxes," that a majority are always going to answer "no."

The question omits a very important part of the "universal health care" equation. That is, that to a significant extent -- or possibly even entirely -- an increase in taxes would be offset by the elimination of health care insurance premiums, co-pays and deductibles that people pay now. It's possible that many people could actually see an increase in their net disposable income, even though their tax bill is higher. That might make a substantial difference in the results of the poll.
You forgot to add that your wait time to see a Doctor will increase by months and you will not be able to choose your doctor. In many cases you will never see the care provider twice. It will be all crap just like Obamacare was.
  
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Very refreshing to hear that you have a open mind on the subject!

I am not saying keep violent criminals or people that are not self sufficient!

Just saying, one solution does not fit all situations....

So, illegal immigrants should have various options and penalties! There should be no advantage for violation of the law. Just a bundle of ways to get right with the law and community! A way that benefits the tax payers necessary to approve of such a approach....

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08-16-2019, 08:47 AM

In this scenario you and those like you are not on the side of the employer.
Democrats become fiscally responsible and Republicans just keep spending their bosses money for him.

Your employer pays you wages, that buys all of those named things. He shouldn't
have to buy your health insurance now should he?

At least those that created the Ira thought so. They destroyed the pension plan that
good employes used to have. The trend is going to make people responsible for
their own retirement and their health insurance and your protest?

WTF? I thought that's what Republicans were for?



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By your theory of "socialism" and the employer/employee relationship, my employer pays for my coffee at home along with my dog's food. My employer pays for my car registration and insurance along with my toothpaste. Your theory also includes the idea that if you buy any of the products my employer puts in the marketplace, then you pay for my toilet paper. Thank you.


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You forgot to add that your wait time to see a Doctor will increase by months and you will not be able to choose your doctor. In many cases you will never see the care provider twice. It will be all crap just like Obamacare was.
"Care Provider"

LOL!

You likely won't even see a doctor.

They are cranking out armies of other "care providers".

No worries. It's always more fun when the stewardess flies the plane.


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"Care Provider"

LOL!

You likely won't even see a doctor.

They are cranking out armies of other "care providers".

No worries. It's always more fun when the stewardess flies the plane.
In most cases it will not be a Doctor.
  
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You got me. I'm unable to respond to this. Not unwilling - - unable. I fully admit that what you are talking about, I have no knowledge. It's a complete mystery to me.

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In this scenario you and those like you are not on the side of the employer.
Democrats become fiscally responsible and Republicans just keep spending their bosses money for him.

Your employer pays you wages, that buys all of those named things. He shouldn't
have to buy your health insurance now should he?

At least those that created the Ira thought so. They destroyed the pension plan that
good employes used to have. The trend is going to make people responsible for
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WTF? I thought that's what Republicans were for?
  
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08-16-2019, 10:16 AM

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Only an absolute MORON would want the government to have that much control over their health.
Sadly, as this sewer illustrates on a daily basis, there are plenty of morons out there.


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Only an absolute MORON would want the government to have that much control over their health.

Sadly, as this sewer illustrates on a daily basis, there are plenty of morons out there.
I agree with this comment! I don't want government making any medical decisions for me at all!!!

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