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08-03-2019, 08:52 AM

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I looked deeper, they did go to adjustable on the GC I after a few years.

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Roger that! I now see that on various threads over the years. Maybe Glen will let us know about the figure 8 nut plates, and whether those were used exclusively on the GC I.
  
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08-03-2019, 09:01 AM

The nameplate indicates to me, GCII. The GCI had the clear acrylic name plate.

The slate appears to be "slate" whereas the earlier tables had Brunstone.

Also, as others have mentioned the adjustable feet and no figure 8 nut plates in the rails allude to a GCII.

Brunswick did a lot of mix and match between all of the GC models.

Looks like it has good bones, should clean up nice!


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08-03-2019, 09:04 AM

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great deal for 400 dollars but still have to add in the cost of your time and cost of new parts. maybe worth it or not.
Why do people do this? Any used table has to be moved and probably needs new cloth. Even if you spend 250 moving, 4-500 recovering and have to buy rubber it's a great table in your house ready for another 10 years for well under $2000 or sell it the next day for what you have in it. That wouldn't even get you an 8 foot particle board furniture table new that is worth less than half of that once its used.

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08-03-2019, 09:19 AM

Thanks for the comments everyone! I'm planning on restoring the table as I feel it warrants it. Work has begun today. Really not concerned about my time as I enjoy making old things new again and I do not plan on reselling. This one is a keeper. As for the 1 vs 2 debate, my research has indicated the following:

1. As has been already pointed out, adjustable feet were available on the 1's

2. Early 1's had the plastic nameplate but due to the fragile nature prone to cracking, the metal nameplate was introduced somewhere in the 1's production run (most likely early on).

3. Figure 8 plates were replaced later in the production run.

4. This has been a hot topic all over the forum over the years. Whether my table has Brustone or slate, I don't know. What I do know is the tack marks from the original cloth are evident in the slate backing so my best guess is original playing surface.

There's a ton of information online (some contradictory) and what I posted up above should be taken with a grain of salt because no one definitively knows the production idiosyncrasies of a 50+ year old relatively mass produced item. Who knows, I could have a Franken-Crown, but every indication points to this table being 100% original. Whether it is a 1 or 2 is open for debate.


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08-03-2019, 09:22 AM

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Great find! Any thought to keeping the original cushions? Were you able to try if they still played well?
The original Monarch SuperSpeeds appear to be in good shape. I'm not a fan of 5" buckets so I'll have the subrails extended, subrail angle altered to accept modern rubber and new rubber installed. Opinion of my mechanic is no tighter than 4 1/8" corners.


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08-03-2019, 09:23 AM

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I think Ken Hash sells reproduction "AR 6100" stickers.
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08-03-2019, 09:26 AM

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Thanks for the comments everyone! I'm planning on restoring the table as I feel it warrants it. Work has begun today. Really not concerned about my time as I enjoy making old things new again and I do not plan on reselling. This one is a keeper. As for the 1 vs 2 debate, my research has indicated the following:

1. As has been already pointed out, adjustable feet were available on the 1's

2. Early 1's had the plastic nameplate but due to the fragile nature prone to cracking, the metal nameplate was introduced somewhere in the 1's production run (most likely early on).

3. Figure 8 plates were replaced later in the production run.

4. This has been a hot topic all over the forum over the years. Whether my table has Brustone or slate, I don't know. What I do know is the tack marks from the original cloth are evident in the slate backing so my best guess is original playing surface.

There's a ton of information online (some contradictory) and what I posted up above should be taken with a grain of salt because no one definitively knows the production idiosyncrasies of a 50+ year old relatively mass produced item. Who knows, I could have a Franken-Crown, but every indication points to this table being 100% original. Whether it is a 1 or 2 is open for debate.
Looks like slate. Brunstone has a kinda slight reddish look to it. Are there swirly machine marks on yours? They're only on slate beds.
  
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08-03-2019, 09:29 AM

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Looks like slate. Brunstone has a kinda slight reddish look to it. Are there swirly machine marks on yours? They're only on slate beds.
I'd have to have a look at the slates. I didn't look at them very close.


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08-03-2019, 09:30 AM

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Iím not a mechanic but from what Iíve read on here none of the modern cushions will fit a GC1 properly unless the wood rail is rebeveled at the modern rail angle. Iíve also read that the original monarch cushions can last 50 years or more.

That said, I like bucket pockets, while the OP wants tight pockets. So he will need new cushions anyway, and thus new bevel angles.

It will be fun to see the progress
You can get new K55 profile rails that will work.
  
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08-03-2019, 09:34 AM

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You can get new K55 profile rails that will work.
Do you have a link?


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08-03-2019, 12:55 PM

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I think you are absolutely right about the adjustable feet not being present on an original GC I, furthermore the rails don't have the figure 8 nut plates. It is my understanding that GC I's used figure 8's only. Not that it's a big deal though if it is a mix and match Gold Crown...still looks awesome and can be made to play perfect!
Adjustable feet came out in 63' when Brunswick changed the aluminum foot mold. The capture nuts used to replace the fig 8 nut plate also changed early in the GC1 production years.
  
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08-03-2019, 01:04 PM

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The nameplate indicates to me, GCII. The GCI had the clear acrylic name plate.

The slate appears to be "slate" whereas the earlier tables had Brunstone.

Also, as others have mentioned the adjustable feet and no figure 8 nut plates in the rails allude to a GCII.

Brunswick did a lot of mix and match between all of the GC models.

Looks like it has good bones, should clean up nice!
Don't know how many times I need to mention this, but the ONLY change in the GC1 to a GC2 was the bronze coated feet and ball tray trim. And the GC2 was ONLY available in a rosewood paint stained finish. Every single change other than those listed above happened on the GC1's first, including the switch from the plastic name plate to the metal one. Even the GC3's first came out with the GC1 casting mounting hardware design. You would be right 99% of the time calling every older GC you see or run across a GC1 as the 2 only came out from 74'-76'....and was rosewood paint stained....not white, Gold, Blue, or Orange painted....those colors were GC1's exclusively!!
  
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08-03-2019, 01:12 PM

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You can get new K55 profile rails that will work.
Monarch cushions are 1 1/8" wide measuring them across the top, todays K55 cushions are 1 1/4" wide measuring them the same, last time I checked my math, that shrinks the playing surface from 50" to 49 3/4" and from 100" to 99 3/4" so I wouldn't call todays cushions a direct fit.
  
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08-03-2019, 01:17 PM

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Adjustable feet came out in 63' when Brunswick changed the aluminum foot mold. The capture nuts used to replace the fig 8 nut plate also changed early in the GC1 production years.
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Don't know how many times I need to mention this, but the ONLY change in the GC1 to a GC2 was the bronze coated feet and ball tray trim. And the GC2 was ONLY available in a rosewood paint stained finish. Every single change other than those listed above happened on the GC1's first, including the switch from the plastic name plate to the metal one. Even the GC3's first came out with the GC1 casting mounting hardware design. You would be right 99% of the time calling every older GC you see or run across a GC1 as the 2 only came out from 74'-76'....and was rosewood paint stained....not white, Gold, Blue, or Orange painted....those colors were GC1's exclusively!!
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Monarch cushions are 1 1/8" wide measuring them across the top, todays K55 cushions are 1 1/4" wide measuring them the same, last time I checked my math, that shrinks the playing surface from 50" to 49 3/4" and from 100" to 99 3/4" so I wouldn't call todays cushions a direct fit.
Thanks for the feedback, Glen! In your opinion, is my find an all original GC1 down to the slate? What's your take on the Brustone vs slate debate?


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08-03-2019, 01:18 PM

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great deal for 400 dollars but still have to add in the cost of your time and cost of new parts. maybe worth it or not.
In California, especially SF or LA area, this is a great deal.
  
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