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06-14-2009, 08:25 PM

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I am a former resident of Milwaukee. I also used to work at Terry Romine's original pool room on Wisconsin Avenue, where Schon cues was started in the back room of the pool room. Bob was the driving force that was behind Schon's success as a custom cue shop. I had one of the first plain birdseye maple cues he ever built, no I don't have it anymore, sold it for one of Bob's rare flat faced joint cues. That one got stolen off of a UPS truck. Since I moved to New Jersey in 1987, Bob sold his portion of Schon back to Terry Romine. Shortly afterward, Terry hired Evan away from McDermott cues. Unless he bought in after getting hired, he is not to my knowledge a Schon partner, he just runs the shop. As far as the quality of the hit of post Runde era Schon's, that is probably due to the fact that they outsource some of the components that get used to make the cues. When Bob was a partner, all components were made in house. I still own five Runde era Schon's and have played with some of the current offerings. The new ones just don't have the same solid hit that Bob's do. Sorry for the long post, but it seems that quite a few of the previous posts had some misinformation that did not correspond with what I know and have talked about with Terry Romine over the last few years.
Great info.I used to play at Romine's High Pockets back in the day on wisconsin ave and Schon was started in the back of Terry's poolroom.Wish I still had one of those early cues.Thanks for the info.Very cool pieces of cuemaking history of Schon.A classic poolroom in midwest and one of the best.
  
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schon - 06-15-2009, 04:55 AM

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i think they do it because they lack the attention to detail that Bob Runde had
Try filling that full of glue and screwing it together and see what happens. If there is no glue releif, It is coming through the side of the cue. Butterflycues
  
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04-26-2010, 02:32 PM

Was wondering if anyone has seen the schon sl-21 cue there was only one made and it has archers signature,It was the cue he played with when he played bustamanta in 91 for action,well someone bought it and it was sitting in a closet for years and the gentlemen is sending the cue to my friend just giving it away lol crazy but anyone we are both wondering what it looks like if anyone has pictures or has seen it which is rare get back with me

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What about new Runde's - 04-26-2010, 02:52 PM

For all of the guys that are looking for a Runde hit in an old Schon that tis no longer available, what about Runde's current new cues that are one of a kind and hit better than the old ones???? IMO the design and craftsmanship was outstanding and the HIT was even better than his old work. Plus his new works are all one of a kinds. Just my opinion
  
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04-26-2010, 03:09 PM

Here's little trivia about Schons.
It was the early 80's and Gus Szamboti was visiting the pool room because he was friends with the owner Tony. At this time there was no internet (The dark ages) and very few production cues available. Tony wanted to sell cues and asked Gus what he should offer. Gus said for the low end Helmsteter and the high end Schon. At that time retail on Helmsteters was around $180 give or take $20 depending on model and Schon was around $400 to $500 or so with 2 shafts and ivory ferules.
When i got my Schon Gus hit some balls with it and asked for some super fine sandpaper and Tony asked why he was sanding my shafts on a brand new cue. Gus replied "They use filler on the shafts" Tony asked why do they do that? Gus replied "Because they have to". That's all he said. Getting Gus to give up any knowledge about cue making was next to impossible. But he did seem to have some respect for the Schon product.


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04-26-2010, 03:34 PM

My nearly twenty year old Schon six windows hits as well as any cue I've ever been allowed to play with. Which brings me to the point of "sharp points". How do they make a cue play better? How do they increase (or decrease) the value of a Schon Cue? Because Bob Runde may or may not have touched my cue while at Schon? On this forum today, a retailer offered a one of a kind Meucci cue. The value was quoted as being nearly fifty thousand dollars. Looking at pictures of the cue, one of the first things I noticed was the "points" were obviously CNC'd, not hand cut or spliced. Does that de-value that particular cue? Or mine?

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05-19-2010, 08:41 PM

I have several Runde schons and newer ones made by Evan Clarke.I really do enjoy playing with all the generations of them.I just love the way they hit/look.In choosing between them if I had too it would be the early schons.They all play great though..But you know what they say...nothing hits like a Runde!Gotta love a Schon!


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05-20-2010, 02:37 AM

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No sorry Az'ers this is not a TAR match .... ...

I have loved Schon ever since I walked into what was my local cue dealer at the time and plopped down 300.00 for a R-11 he recommended I try ... He said it was something new but he thought it was a well built cue ... I quit playing for 18 years threw it into the closet and I guess you could say disappeared from the pool world for all of those 18 years... Call me Rip pool winkle ...

18 years later I wake up to pool again pull my R -11 out of the closet and I'm amazed at how much my 300.00 cue is worth ... I'm saddened that Bob Runde has left Schon , I'm surprised at how big that little company called Schon cues has become , I'm heartbroke that they no longer use the long sharp points that Runde used in his Schons and I'm wondering who the heck is this Evan Clarke guy? Is he good or is he feeding off of what Bob Runde started? I still love Schon heck who would'nt in my situation but it's more then that I love the hit of thier cues. What right does Evan have to discontinue the long sharp points that were standard in Schon? Was he not good enough to duplicate what Runde started ? I'm glad all Schons are still hand made But then again all of this just wants to make me go back to sleep ...

So maybe some of you know more then me perhaps some of you know what I slept through ... Is Evan better then Runde ? Who is Evan Clarke ?
I loved the hit of my R-11 for 300.00 brand new off the shelf it was a total bargain .... I also like the hit of the newer Schons though I hear many say that the Schons Evan makes are not as good as the Runde era Schons ... What is the reason for saying that? Was Runde that much better? I've often heard that the hit of the R series Schons from Runde are far superior then the hit of todays Schons ... I have to admit I hit both and like both ...

So feel me in AZ'ers what is up with all of this ... Who is better Runde or Evan ? How do you feel about Schon and all the changes? Why did Runde leave Schon or did Schon quit Runde?
I'll give you $300 for your R-11.....LOL, so jealous !!!!


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What right does Evan have to discontinue the long sharp points that were standard in Schon?
Mass production.....probably already been said, at least I hope so.


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05-20-2010, 10:06 AM

I got lucky in the early 90s and stumbled upon a beautiful yet very plain schon. The first time I hit balls with it I fell in love and to this day i have never hit any cue that compare. I'm not sure what runde did differently but I have to agree that the clarke era cues just don't have the same feel.

To the poster who said that runde didn't core his cues, mine may prove otherwise. My cue has an ebony forearm with no points and I have to assume it's cored because of weight of solid ebony. I have had it dated to the runde era but can't seem to find a model number and have never seen another one.


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Mass production.....probably already been said, at least I hope so.

Not all Evans work is cnc'd or "mass produced".Yes he does a have a production line...stl,sr,sl etc...As Bob had the S,and R series...Here's a example of each..And it is very tough to choose..IMO
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Bob is a talented cue maker but more importantly a real class act. He recently replaced a warped shaft for me at no charge...it took him less than two weeks and he even paid for the return shipping...and though the warped shaft had never hit a ball...the cue was over 2 yrs old.

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05-21-2010, 06:56 AM

All I have to offer is an observation. In the 80's and 90's a lot of good players were using Schon's. It was one of the most popular "players" cues. Their resale value was equal or greater then the cost new. Not many cues at that time held value as well.

By the mid to late 90's fewer and fewer pros were playing with Schons. It was well known that Bob Runde was no longer making them. The pros for the most part passed on the new Schons. At that point they became a true mass production company, marketing mainly to all the amateur pool players. A good company decision I'm sure. They had already built their reputation. Now they were just another production cue, along with Meucci, McDermott and Viking. Still good cues but not 'Rundes'.

I personally owned several early Schon's. Some of them were one of kind cues, with no model number. I regret the fact that I sold all of them. Those old four pointers Bob made were the NUTS! And still are if you can find one.


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05-21-2010, 07:23 AM

I have 5 Schon cues from a STL-09 &15, R14, SL-17 and a Elite 54. The quality is very good and the hit on all of them are solid. I was amazed that I was able to buy the R14 for less than half the price of an Old Runde R14. I have one Schon IV shaft and it has a solid hit.
I think the issue is that some of the people feel cheated when Bob left and Schon started to go after a different market. Similar to a cue maker who made some high end cues then started selling his cues on eBay for a fraction and the old prices tank. Alot of people are still upset about that one. Mitch


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