Did I mention that was one handed? He's kind of the Chuck Norris of pool, he's the best you've ever seen Bus, the best there is
I think he said it was 110 degrees in the room with two feet of snow on the floor also.
Did I mention that was one handed? He's kind of the Chuck Norris of pool, he's the best you've ever seen Bus, the best there is
For the record....
Originally posted by Hungerstrike:
Mosconi's run of 589 at age 66 or so in '79. 08-26-2011, 02:14 PM
" I just spoke with Charles Ursitti. He is ok right now riding out the hurricaine in Florida. I asked him about the run he witnessed which I knew to be near 600. The details are that it was done in the practice room of a major Las Vegas tournament in 1979. Charlie says that all the tournament pros came in to watch portions of the run at one point or another. Pete Margo came in and watched some.... then asked Charlie what the score is up to and Charlie said over 20 racks. He quotes Margo as saying that "if there was a 5000 point match right now, I'd bet on Willie." On the 589th ball, which was set up as a perfect break shot, Charlie told Willie that the next rack would put him over 600, but just as he was saying it, Willie fired in the 589th ball before the balls were racked. It was over because Willie was hungry and tired. I know Charles Ursitti very, very well and in doing research for him he has made me check and recheck facts. The overwhelming majority of his data (as seen on his website on the history of the game's records) has multiple sources. He is a stickler for facts. He has also been referee for many big matches. I have ZERO doubt in my mind as to the validity of this story. No doubt. This feat was accomplished on a standard 4.5'x9' Brunswick Gold Crown.... "
Player X: " I could run 589 any time, I just don't feel like messing with it.."
Mr. Bond: " yeah, right "
Player X: " no, really...I could..."
Mr. Bond: " ok, then why don't you? "
Player X: " because beating the record of possibly the world's greatest pocket billiard player doesn't mean much ..."
Mr. Bond: " so you have no desire to beat, or be, the world's greatest at something?"
Player X: "...well I didn't say THAT..."
Mr. Bond: " then why don't you do it? "
Player X: " ...because I don't feel like it."
Mr. Bond: " you do realize that if you don't prove it, then theres no point in saying that you could, right? "
Player X: " but I could.."
Mr. Bond: " I could too..."
Player X: " no you couldn't..."
Mr. Bond: " I could anytime ..."
Player X: " then why don't you ..."
Mr. Bond: " I can't really do it, I'm just making a point here...as soon as I said I could, you didn't believe me. "
Player X: " why should I ? "
Mr. Bond " point made ..."
Player X: " wait, what? "
Mr. bond: " saying that you could beat it means that the task holds enough weight for you to make that claim...in other words...you do care about who holds the record."
Player X: " well I guess I do then..."
Mr. Bond: " then why don't you? "
Player X: " because that's a lot of time and effort ...and for what? "
Mr. Bond: "....um ...to be the record holder?...."
Player X: " what's the big deal with holding the record? "
Mr. Bond: " you tell me. You're the one who said you could beat it."
Player X: " I can..."
Mr. Bond: " lol "
I think he said it was 110 degrees in the room with two feet of snow on the floor also.
Stories like this where a player had a run going of this magnitude and then quit before missing (and there are several with several different players) show that the player in question just didn't care about a record and it just wasn't that important to them. If one were to believe these stories, it would also be reasonable to assume that there are other players who also would not care about it all that much, or that having such a record may not be as important to all top players as many paint it out to be. I'm not saying I believe these stories or don't, only that it would be somewhat inconsistent to believe that every player alive wants desperately to hold the high run record and would do it if they could, and then also believe these stories where someone had it or was close to it and then quit before they ever missed.
I do realize some will say that the players in question may not have thought the run would have been "official" anyway so why bother, but if it were that important they still wouldn't have quit without having missed just to have the bragging rights whether it could be made "official" or not. And they would also hope that they could convince enough people or prove it well enough for it to become "official" (and after all there were no official guidelines for what would make something "official", it was all just a matter of if you could convince enough people that it became commonly accepted as having happened, so the motivation to continue the run would still be there if the record was actually important to them). Just a thought.
Player X: " I could run 589 any time, I just don't feel like messing with it.."
Mr. Bond: " yeah, right "
Player X: " no, really...I could..."
Mr. Bond: " ok, then why don't you? "
Player X: " because beating the record of possibly the world's greatest pocket billiard player doesn't mean much ..."
Mr. Bond: " so you have no desire to beat, or be, the world's greatest at something?"
Player X: "...well I didn't say THAT..."
Mr. Bond: " then why don't you do it? "
Player X: " ...because I don't feel like it."
Mr. Bond: " you do realize that if you don't prove it, then theres no point in saying that you could, right? "
Player X: " but I could.."
Mr. Bond: " I could too..."
Player X: " no you couldn't..."
Mr. Bond: " I could anytime ..."
Player X: " then why don't you ..."
Mr. Bond: " I can't really do it, I'm just making a point here...as soon as I said I could, you didn't believe me. "
Player X: " why should I ? "
Mr. Bond " point made ..."
Player X: " wait, what? "
Mr. bond: " saying that you could beat it means that the task holds enough weight for you to make that claim...in other words...you do care about who holds the record."
Player X: " well I guess I do then..."
Mr. Bond: " then why don't you? "
Player X: " because that's a lot of time and effort ...and for what? "
Mr. Bond: "....um ...to be the record holder?...."
Player X: " what's the big deal with holding the record? "
Mr. Bond: " you tell me. You're the one who said you could beat it."
Player X: " I can..."
Mr. Bond: " lol "
* You want to hang on to the belief that today's players couldn't do it, and that they were "better back in your day". You also you also don't want to be made to look dumb considering how strongly you argued that if they had the ability they would have already done it..
Not only do I believe it can be broken, I HOPE it gets broken.
[...]
And for the record, I don't have a problem with your opinion that nobody that has ever lived since Mosconi could have broken the record. It is something that is hard to judge, and is an opinion like that isn't ridiculous. What I have a problem with is the stupid logic used to arrive at that conclusion, said stupid logic being "well if they could have, they would have".
What I have a problem with is the stupid logic
For the record....
Originally posted by Hungerstrike:
Mosconi's run of 589 at age 66 or so in '79. 08-26-2011, 02:14 PM
" I just spoke with Charles Ursitti. He is ok right now riding out the hurricaine in Florida. I asked him about the run he witnessed which I knew to be near 600. The details are that it was done in the practice room of a major Las Vegas tournament in 1979. Charlie says that all the tournament pros came in to watch portions of the run at one point or another. Pete Margo came in and watched some.... then asked Charlie what the score is up to and Charlie said over 20 racks. He quotes Margo as saying that "if there was a 5000 point match right now, I'd bet on Willie." On the 589th ball, which was set up as a perfect break shot, Charlie told Willie that the next rack would put him over 600, but just as he was saying it, Willie fired in the 589th ball before the balls were racked. It was over because Willie was hungry and tired. I know Charles Ursitti very, very well and in doing research for him he has made me check and recheck facts. The overwhelming majority of his data (as seen on his website on the history of the game's records) has multiple sources. He is a stickler for facts. He has also been referee for many big matches. I have ZERO doubt in my mind as to the validity of this story. No doubt. This feat was accomplished on a standard 4.5'x9' Brunswick Gold Crown.... "
I heard that he once ran 500 balls in Canada. With the conversion at the time, that's like 795 US balls.
-td
You bring up a satirical but good point.
Would Greenleaf's 287 on a 10' table be equal to 526 on an 8footer?
Is 408 on a diamond 9 footer equal to 526 on an 8 ft GC.
I figured after reading some of this thread I would chime in.
408 on a Diamond? To my knowledge by what has been told to me there has only been 1 run over 300 on a 9ft.Diamond table and Diamond tables have been around since the late 1980s.
The highest run on a Diamond from everyones knowledge is 311.Im not stating this fact to pat my self on my back but it was 2 years ago when I ran the 311 on a Diamond table.
... Im not stating this fact to pat my self on my back but it was 2 years ago when I ran the 311 on a Diamond table.
Good job chief. Seriously.
So My question is this, why did you run that high?
Was it required to win your match, or did you run because you wanted to run?
Would you like to hold the world's record?
Why or why not?
(There are no right or wrong answers)