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05-07-2019, 10:49 AM

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Mika in the HOF is a joke btw. Js
Back to back US Opens and throw in a REAL World Championship in 9 Ball without even considering his straight pool accomplishments puts him in. Just because he burnt out a bit and cant stop flapping his hands doesn't dq him imho.
  
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05-07-2019, 10:59 AM

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Back to back US Opens and throw in a REAL World Championship in 9 Ball without even considering his straight pool accomplishments puts him in. Just because he burnt out a bit and cant stop flapping his hands doesn't dq him imho.
He also won a sanctioned World 10-ball Championship. In 14.1, he has won the Predator World Championship (not WPA sanctioned) and the Derby City 14.1 Challenge, two of the tougher 14.1 events to win here in America. He has won the Challenge of Champions. Add in his two US Open 9-ball titles and a World 9-ball Championship and there really isn't much to discuss.

Mika in the HOF was a no-brainer.
  
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05-07-2019, 12:52 PM

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He also won a sanctioned World 10-ball Championship. In 14.1, he has won the Predator World Championship (not WPA sanctioned) and the Derby City 14.1 Challenge, two of the tougher 14.1 events to win here in America. He has won the Challenge of Champions. Add in his two US Open 9-ball titles and a World 9-ball Championship and there really isn't much to discuss.

Mika in the HOF was a no-brainer.
Plus a WCOP of pool I think and a few Mosconi Cups.
  
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05-07-2019, 12:58 PM

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I don't care about the format so much as the gimmick of jump cues being allowed.

I'm convinced if players had to jump with the full playing cue there would have been a different group of players in the final 8. Jump cues turn it into an arcade game.
Yep, jump cues at the pro level take away too much from the game. I would rather see no jump cues and the current single elim final round than double elim all the way with jump cues. Heck, many of the local tournaments don't allow jump cues, why not the pros?
Allow two cues to use, both with a min length and weight requirement, can jump with either one. Say 56" and 16 oz as the limits. Players are too good now with all other advancements in equipment to allow a crutch like a jump cue that allows anyone to jump a ball.

I always point out the fact that my son when he was like 12 was able to clear a full ball with a jump cue on his 3rd try ever with one. Who wants that type of thing in the pro game?


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05-07-2019, 01:55 PM

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Few, if any, of us agree with the conclusion drawn in the opening post in the thread, but I, for one, appreciate the sentiment in it.

This isn't the US Open as we knew it, but from a historical perspective, what difference would it make if Matchroom called their new event in Vegas "The American 9-ball Championships?" Would we somehow be robbed of the memories of US Opens past? No, not really. Those memories are for keeps, part of pool's lore.

Matchroom, in obtaining the rights to the US Open 9-ball name and bringing this event to Vegas, where far greater fanfare is available than in the past, has grabbed the baton from the Behrmans and it is Matchroom's turn to run with it. They are doing it without abruptness or lack of respect for the event's history. The US Open trophy is now known as the Barry Behrman trophy, and Barry's kids, Brady and Shannon, were center stage and were a shining presence at this year's event, reminding us all of the tournament's roots.

Matchroom is not discarding the history of the US Open, but instead embracing it and building upon it, but it's their event now and, as the most skillful event producers in our sport, they'll add their special touches to the event.

... but there's nothing wrong with feeling regret with respect to the transition. The original poster's sentiments are, in fact, valid, at least to a point.

This is a very good statement regarding both sides of the coin. I agree.
Another factor to those who think like the OP....

I watched Pat Fleming, who was, in my opinion, treated unfairly by the Berhman's regarding the changeover to Matchroom--that said, Pat not only endorsed the new Matchroom US Open, but he entered and played in the tournament as well.

That right there is a pretty solid move by the pool ambassador himself, Mr. Fleming, and I was settled in my mind that it was ok to let go and enjoy the show--and I very much did.
We also have the US International Open now (started by Mr. Fleming) and more pool action/history to be made.

Great times for Great sport. Let's all cheer them on.
  
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05-07-2019, 01:58 PM

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Back to back US Opens and throw in a REAL World Championship in 9 Ball without even considering his straight pool accomplishments puts him in. Just because he burnt out a bit and cant stop flapping his hands doesn't dq him imho.
you mean flipping his hands? tbh i think it has become a tic that he can't help. i watched a streamed match some months ago and i think i counted 30+ hand flips

but of course HOF worthy. he used to be a proper force. nowadays not so much
  
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05-07-2019, 02:01 PM

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This is a very good statement regarding both sides of the coin. I agree.
Another factor to those who think like the OP....

I watched Pat Fleming, who was, in my opinion, treated unfairly by the Berhman's regarding the changeover to Matchroom--that said, Pat not only endorsed the new Matchroom US Open, but he entered and played in the tournament as well.

That right there is a pretty solid move by the pool ambassador himself, Mr. Fleming, and I was settled in my mind that it was ok to let go and enjoy the show--and I very much did.
We also have the US International Open now (started by Mr. Fleming) and more pool action/history to be made.

Great times for Great sport. Let's all cheer them on.
Excellent point. Pat is all class.

... and there's room for BOTH the new edition of the US Open and the International, both of which have added to the pro pool scene here in America.
  
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