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Can jump shots damage the table or cloth? - 08-14-2007, 05:25 AM

I'm (finally) getting a table in a couple of weeks (provided my house is finished ), and I'm pretty concerned with keeping the table in good shape.

I'm covering it with Simonis 860, which isn't available locally so I have to order it from the States (and hire somebody from the factory to make the 450 mile trip from Bangkok to install it)- I'm concerned that jump shots might create "flat" spots that would hinder the balls from rolling true (I kinda doubt the 1" slate will crack or chip... right? ).

One reason I'm wondering about this is that I bought a Sardo Tight-Rack (before researching it) and potential cloth damage was an issue that was often brought up

I'm thinking about a "no jump shots" house rule, but I don't wanna take the aspect out of the game (I like to play 9-ball).

Am I worried over nothing? It's my first table (only an eight-footer but built to international competition specs and pretty darned expensive as the pickings were slim) and I wanna keep it in the best condition possible


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08-14-2007, 05:28 AM

If you do it wrong, yes, you can rip the cloth. Better safe than sorry - especially if it's your own table and you paid a hefty sum for it. A little prevention may be inconvenient, but it goes a long way.


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08-14-2007, 05:29 AM

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If you do it wrong, yes, you can rip the cloth. Better safe than sorry - especially if it's your own table and you paid a hefty sum for it. A little prevention may be inconvenient, but it goes a long way.

Yeah, no kidding- I didn't even consider the ripped cloth aspect- that would be bad.


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08-14-2007, 05:45 AM

I say let them jump! Not by scooping under the ball though!! The cloth will get marks on it, it is unavoidable and a consequence of use.

I would advise that you get a couple of pieces of cloth, 5cm x 5cm, to put under the cue ball when breaking. I have simoonis on my cloth and the visible leftovers of breaking far outnumber those of jumping...

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08-14-2007, 05:49 AM

It's not really marks that worry me- I know they're inevitable- it's flat spots.

Most of the tables on the island where I live are so warped and damaged it's depressing to play on them- it's no fun watching a ball suddenly turn left when it was headed for the pocket.


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08-14-2007, 06:04 AM

Jump shots are some of the most unreliable, low percentage shots I can think of; unless you're hosting Johnny Archer, Bustamonte, or the like, I wouldn't want anybody practicing jump shots with my equipment.


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08-14-2007, 06:16 AM

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It's not really marks that worry me- I know they're inevitable- it's flat spots.

Most of the tables on the island where I live are so warped and damaged it's depressing to play on them- it's no fun watching a ball suddenly turn left when it was headed for the pocket.
Not sure what you mean by 'flat spots'. The bed is slate- a rock- and the cloth is flat already...
  
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08-14-2007, 06:30 AM

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I say let them jump! Not by scooping under the ball though!! The cloth will get marks on it, it is unavoidable and a consequence of use.

I would advise that you get a couple of pieces of cloth, 5cm x 5cm, to put under the cue ball when breaking. I have simoonis on my cloth and the visible leftovers of breaking far outnumber those of jumping...

Enjoy the table! It is great for laundry!!

doesnt the extra cloth high make the ball jump on the break?
maybe u preserve the cloth , but u will be breaking windows, and i dont want 7y of bad luck on my ***


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08-14-2007, 07:12 AM

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Not sure what you mean by 'flat spots'. The bed is slate- a rock- and the cloth is flat already...
It's quite possible that I may be concerned out of ignorance- I'm basing the question on what I've read re: the Sardo Tight Rack- it's supposed to "train" your cloth by creating areas where the balls can bed into the cloth- to me that means that the cloth flattens or indents (perhaps imperceptibly so) to seat the balls- jump shots would land very solid and (I guess) could do the same thing.


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08-14-2007, 07:33 AM

IMHO, use a basic, old-school rack....they work best...

Also, make sure and put a spot to protect the cloth where the head ball is on the break....

Also, the no jump rule sounds like a good one....it will save the cloth, avoid scooping by newbs, and improve your kicking...

Congrats on the table...


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08-14-2007, 08:00 AM

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I'm (finally) getting a table in a couple of weeks (provided my house is finished ), and I'm pretty concerned with keeping the table in good shape.

I'm covering it with Simonis 860, which isn't available locally so I have to order it from the States (and hire somebody from the factory to make the 450 mile trip from Bangkok to install it)- I'm concerned that jump shots might create "flat" spots that would hinder the balls from rolling true (I kinda doubt the 1" slate will crack or chip... right? ).

One reason I'm wondering about this is that I bought a Sardo Tight-Rack (before researching it) and potential cloth damage was an issue that was often brought up

I'm thinking about a "no jump shots" house rule, but I don't wanna take the aspect out of the game (I like to play 9-ball).

Am I worried over nothing? It's my first table (only an eight-footer but built to international competition specs and pretty darned expensive as the pickings were slim) and I wanna keep it in the best condition possible
You bet, the first two spots to see the slab are the break and apex spots. Just that we don't always jump on the exact spots, or else we'll see the slabs faster. House rule is good but most people will get turned off not being allowed to jump or masse. Depends on how you wanna weigh it.
  
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I'm (finally) getting a table in a couple of weeks (provided my house is finished ), and I'm pretty concerned with keeping the table in good shape.

I'm covering it with Simonis 860, which isn't available locally so I have to order it from the States (and hire somebody from the factory to make the 450 mile trip from Bangkok to install it)- I'm concerned that jump shots might create "flat" spots that would hinder the balls from rolling true (I kinda doubt the 1" slate will crack or chip... right? ).

One reason I'm wondering about this is that I bought a Sardo Tight-Rack (before researching it) and potential cloth damage was an issue that was often brought up

I'm thinking about a "no jump shots" house rule, but I don't wanna take the aspect out of the game (I like to play 9-ball).

Am I worried over nothing? It's my first table (only an eight-footer but built to international competition specs and pretty darned expensive as the pickings were slim) and I wanna keep it in the best condition possible
Two things I've learned about this on my table:

1) jumping does compress the cloth. In practicing jumping, I always use a small scrap of table cloth under the cue ball. That scrap is now noticeably compressed in the middle.

2) the quality of your cue ball makes a big difference in the spots or burn marks you get on the cloth. The cue ball I got with the balls that came with my table was cheap, and caused many burn marks. When I switched to a good quality Saluc cue ball the burn marks stopped happening almost entirely.
  
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08-14-2007, 08:25 AM

Number one, forget the Sardo Rack. You don't want it or need it, especially for a home table. Put it on eBay. Use a good wood or fiber triangle. They work just fine for your purposes.

I would only allow highly skilled players to shoot jump shots on your table. Ones who know how to properly execute them. Even worse than the damage the cue ball can do, is the potential damge that an errant cue stick can do to the cloth and even the slate. Slate can be chipped, sorry to have to tell you this.

Enough said. Now it's up to you. Oh, and you don't need the little piece of cloth on the table for break shots. You won't be breaking nearly as much as in a poolroom. A few superficial battle scars on the cloth after several months (or years), will actually look cool. And it won't affect the way the table plays.

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... Use a good wood or fiber triangle. They work just fine for your purposes. ...
What he said. But be aware that most of what is sold in billiard supply stores is junk. The plastic ones are so flimsy that the sides bulge out or curve in. The wood ones are barely glued, and the corners often don't have a small enough radius so it is impossible to get the front three balls tight. It is worth it to shop around and get a good one. Ask if you can try it in the store.


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What he said. But be aware that most of what is sold in billiard supply stores is junk. The plastic ones are so flimsy that the sides bulge out or curve in. The wood ones are barely glued, and the corners often don't have a small enough radius so it is impossible to get the front three balls tight. It is worth it to shop around and get a good one. Ask if you can try it in the store.
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