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High Run Equivalency between a 9' and 10' table? - 01-02-2018, 07:25 PM

Just curious what 14.1 players here who have had the opportunity to play on both 9-foot and 10-foot tables would estimate the high run equivalency would be between the two tables, with identical sized pockets on both tables?

My estimate from my personal experience would be almost 2-to-1 as tough on the big table, meaning a 50 ball run on the 10-footer is just as hard and impressive as a 100 ball run on a 9-footer, or a 2 rack 28 ball run is as impressive on a 10-footer as a 4 rack 56 ball run on the 9-footer.

Does anyone know offhand the differences in the high run or better yet the average of the top 10 high runs in the DCC straight pool challenge in the years they played it on the 10-foot table as compared to the years they played it on the 9-foot table?

I practice 14.1 on both sized tables in my poolroom, although we've only had the 10-footer for only about 1 year. Both tables have Diamond tour pocket specs. I'm finding it extremely hard to get past 2 racks (28 balls) on the 10-footer, whereas I've had 3-5 rack runs on the 9-footer numerous times.
  
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01-02-2018, 08:48 PM

Just checked the DCC website, under the straight challenge high runs in past years. The numbers appear to confirm my thoughts.

2013 was the only year they used a 10-foot table, I assume a Diamond Smart table with tour cut pocket specs, and it was won by Stuart Pettman, a snooker player, with a high run of 117. No information was given as to the next highest run, so there's a chance he may have been the only player that cracked the 100 mark.

In the 4 years since then, the high run has averaged 222 per year - just slightly less than double the 117.
  
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01-02-2018, 10:10 PM

I think Arthur Cranfield’s 420 on a 5x10 will stand as long as Willie’s 526 on a 4x8.
George Fels reported that Arthur had plenty of witnesses.


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01-03-2018, 12:55 AM

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... 2013 was the only year they used a 10-foot table, I assume a Diamond Smart table with tour cut pocket specs, and it was won by Stuart Pettman, a snooker player, with a high run of 117. No information was given as to the next highest run, so there's a chance he may have been the only player that cracked the 100 mark.

In the 4 years since then, the high run has averaged 222 per year - just slightly less than double the 117.
Pettman also had the second highest run in 2013, an even 100. No one else made it to 100 on the 10-footers.

This past year (2017) 17 players ran 100 or more on the 9-footers, with 37 such runs in total.
  
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01-03-2018, 07:01 AM

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I think Arthur Cranfield’s 420 on a 5x10 will stand as long as Willie’s 526 on a 4x8.
George Fels reported that Arthur had plenty of witnesses.
I would say Cranfield's 420 on a 5x10 is far and away more impressive than Mosconi's 526 on a 4x8. Too bad he doesn't get much credit for it.
  
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01-15-2018, 12:56 AM

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I think Arthur Cranfield’s 420 on a 5x10 will stand as long as Willie’s 526 on a 4x8.
George Fels reported that Arthur had plenty of witnesses.
Most all of the 5x10 tables were 4.75 in Cranfield's era. I have access to a 5x10 ( with shallow shelf 4.75 sized pockets). Less congestion than the 9ft, but more long ball shots, the 5x10 is the way to go but the bar room or nine ft. player will need to become more keen on center ball.
  
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I would say Cranfield's 420 on a 5x10 is far and away more impressive than Mosconi's 526 on a 4x8. Too bad he doesn't get much credit for it.
I have Cranfield's The Straight Pool Bible and I happened to meet up with Larry, the guy who knew him very well and we played some. I know there isn't much info about Cranfield out there, but I think he gets overlooked by so many. The guy sounded like a 14.1 genius.
  
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I have Cranfield's The Straight Pool Bible and I happened to meet up with Larry, the guy who knew him very well and we played some. I know there isn't much info about Cranfield out there, but I think he gets overlooked by so many. The guy sounded like a 14.1 genius.
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9' vs 10' - 01-17-2018, 05:02 PM

As far as your inquiry bout if both tables had the same sized pockets I am still getting to know this table. Bottom line is on the ten ft - often after the break the possible break ball appears quickly as there is less congestion. I would have to venture a guess that pockets sizes being equal - the ten footer would be more difficult. But I don't want to limit any of my possible future high runs, as I said before this is a great table and I think I can hit three centuries or more on it. When I competed in Dcc on those ten ft tables with snug pockets it was difficult as I was not used to the extra space. I am learning more bout staying in the center now that I have access to this fully restored beautiful Brunswick arcade (ball return). It does have 760 simonis however, it's almost perfect.

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01-18-2018, 09:18 AM

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I have Cranfield's The Straight Pool Bible and I happened to meet up with Larry, the guy who knew him very well and we played some. I know there isn't much info about Cranfield out there, but I think he gets overlooked by so many. The guy sounded like a 14.1 genius.
I have heard that he was the best 14.1 practice player.
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Cranfield - 01-18-2018, 01:19 PM

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I have heard that he was the best 14.1 practice player.
tournament play not so good.
Maybe a little canine there.
I don't doubt any of the claims about Cranfield's accomplishments, it's true that some are better than others when competing vs practicing. I would add that at the top level there are many elusive ways that the player who has heavy sponsors can make there player look like the best in competition. If Cranfield has the top run on a 5x10 then it should stand as the official high run of his era, to my knowledge there is nothing they can do to sabotage a player who shuts out all the distractions that others can cleverly disguise as accidents that happen to the dark horse. I doubt anyone will respond but is there any footage of Cranfield? If so I would like to check it out.

Here are some examples of the most common tings' that have happened to me while competing at a huge event (out in public). When they know you don't care for the loud music they turn it up a notch against home town favorite, sabotaging your drink, moving loud neighbors into the room next to you where your staying. doctoring the table - where it forces one player to break to a certain pocket or it's curtains, and of course the popular techno cell phone shark, and special favors. The perps (underground gambling syndicates) who commit these acts pride themselves on being able to influence a situation (play God), this is unfortunate but all too familiar for some of us. This is why I say that if a player runs many racks in an environment free of any distractions it should never be discredited. In Snooker they will not allow this to happen, there escorted out before they can say jimeny cricket. So my main point here is the nerves are not always the problem. ssl - but relevant.

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01-18-2018, 04:46 PM

Iirc, I think the only footage out there is from the old ESPN legends of pocket billiards series. He played mosconi but cranfield looked like he wasn't very much into it. I can't find it now but I'm positive it is still up on YouTube.
  
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I have heard that he was the best 14.1 practice player.
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Are you thinking of Cranfield or Eufemia?
  
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Are you thinking of Cranfield or Eufemia?
Did i mix them up?
I know one of them could run 100s all day in practice,but competition not so good.


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