Made offer - wanted to escrow with FAST_N_LOOSE

Slow Eddie

I only look Filipino.
Silver Member
I've done several deals on AZB since joining up in January, all without the need for escrow. Used Markus for my first overseas purchase from a seller with no history on AZB. Peace of mind for me, a sale for the seller, and added only a few days and less than $50 to the cost. I'm glad the escrow option exists and wouldn't hesitate to recommend markus.
 

Quesports

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
Believe me when I say there was a reason that the escrow service came to be. I also trust the judgement of those that run AZ Forums and allow Fast & Loose to make his time available to perform this service for the members. When in doubt escrow!
 

PC_John

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
As a seller, I would have no problem with escrow as long as the buyer is paying the cost.

As a buyer, if the seller was against escrow with me paying the cost, I would run.
 

Blue Hog ridr

World Famous Fisherman.
Silver Member
Thats about it in a nut shell John.

Marcus saved my butt on an $1800.00 Scruggs that apparently wasn't up to much.
 

wade

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
Marcus=Top Notch Service. I have done plenty of transactions with Marcus and would trust him with anything.
Shane Wade
 

tank69

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
You may want to mention who it was. Seems this person may not be one to deal with. If you can't agree on escrow, no way would I do any other deal with the person.
 

Lonestar_jim

Two & Out
Silver Member
Thanks DoubleD

For not adding BS to the thread either, although you are being a pain in the ass. OP wasn't asking for reassurance about his decision. I have not used Marcus service, so I can't comment there, but I can honestly say that I didn't know the names of porn stars until I was 17. Some people ...
 

Baxter

Out To Win
Silver Member
As a seller, I would have no problem with escrow as long as the buyer is paying the cost.

As a buyer, if the seller was against escrow with me paying the cost, I would run.

That's how I feel about it as well.
 

tpdtom

Really Old School
Silver Member
If I was asked to use escrow I would kindly decline the offer, and it wouldn't have anything to do with me hiding anything, or anything to do with Marcus personally..It's just not the way I do business..I believe the seller has the same right to conduct business the best way he feels works for him, as you have the same right to do business as you feel works best for you..It's no big deal, it's just another deal that didn't go down on AZB..

That's fine if you have 90 Itrader deals with 100% feedback like you do, but there are a lot of deals gone sour here...Tom
 

TATE

AzB Gold Mensch
Silver Member
Made an offer on a cue in the Wanted/For Sale section and wanted to use the escrow service offered by FAST_N_LOOSE as shown on a sticky in that section.

Seller says no way, the escrow guy could just keep the cue and my money and we'd both be screwed with no recourse.

I say you gotta be kidding, the guy's been doing it since 2008, I haven't seen a single complaint, and I doubt if he's been waiting for this deal to go rogue.

Seller insists he will not take the "risk".

To each his own. In the end it was I who would not take the "risk". I suspect the cue isn't quite as mint as described.

Anybody have anything good or bad to say about the escrow service offered by Markus, aka FAST_N_LOOSE?



I sent him an $8,000 cue without even thinking twice. He's totally trustworthy.
 

kavik79

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
I just want to say....I've done lots of transactions through many different forums, deals ranging from a couple bucks to a grand.....and I have never seen such a paranoid group as I've seen since I joined this site LOL

If someone's uncomfortable using an escrow service they must be scamming or lying about the condition....and we should publicly call them out and ruin their rep for future sales? C'mon, really? :rolleyes:


I laugh when I see people here say they expect someone to send them the item first before payment is sent. Not a chance in hell, thanks.
Wanna ask to use an escrow service? Sure, no problem.....but if you're requesting it, you're covering 100% of the additional fees, or no deal. Not because I'm being dishonest, but because I refuse to be out of pocket for your paranoia and distrust.
If we can't come to an agreement on the terms of a sale, no problem. Smile, shake hands and walk away (so to speak). I'd have no hard feelings and I certainly wouldn't expect to be called out later as an untrustworthy seller just because we have different preferences for how to do business.

Even without an escrow service, there are 10x more safety nets in place for buyers than there are for sellers. Pay through paypal, funded by a credit card and your credit card company will back you up, paypal will side with the buyer almost to an unfair degree. Only send paypal as a payment for an item, NEVER AS A GIFT, and only send to a verified address. If they've confirmed their identity and shipment is made through the US postal service, if you really get screwed it's mail fraud, a federal offense and you have their verified name and address.
The fact is, you're more likely to get shafted in a deal where you're the seller than when you're the buyer....if you take the time to learn how to properly fight a dispute
 

tank69

AzB Silver Member
Silver Member
This is just getting sick. Guy doesn't want to do escrow, so he is automatically not worth dealing with?

I've heard nothing but great things about F_n_L's escrow service, but before I knew about that, I figured he was a fifteen y/o boy going through puberty, solely based upon his avatar and signature lines about pornstars. Sorry, but I'm not sure he is who I would escrow with before being on this forum for quite a while.

Final thing, I can't blame the guy for not doing escrow. I've never had a bad deal and they have still been major pains in the ass. I don't need to add another level of BS to it.

dld

With everyone getting ripped off, I would like to eliminate one more possibility. Maybe he is great to deal with.. I don't know. But refusing to escrow with a well known member is a red flag in my book. But then again, due to my caution, I've never been ripped off...so I tend to run the safe route on Internet deals.
 

ball-banger

I hate this damn game!
Silver Member
Escrow

I used Marcus' escrow services just this past week. He delivers on what he says and is very professional. I recommend him for any substantial transaction.
 

jjollie

Well-known member
Escrow service is a must for most of the new members. If you don't have any iTrader and just joined the forums, Escrow is going to happen if I buy from you. It's not a trust thing, it's a protection thing. And most of the time if I want to use escrow I pay from the escrow myself...no cost to the seller.

Now check this out...I just did a trade deal with a newbie and the deal consisted of trade plus cash as his cue was more than mine. As a matter of fact, 600.00 more. So it was my cue plus 600 cash for his cue.

He asked me how to proceed and we agreed that he would sent me HIS cue first and after inspection I would send my cue plus the 600.00. HOW THAT'S TRUST!

Another deal I had I purchased a cue with 50% payment and 50% in 3 weeks and received the cue 2 days after the 1st payment. I will never hesitate to do business with that seller ever.

Just be a man of your word and things will always work your way...

jjollie
 
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FAST_N_LOOSE

<--THE AMAZING JESSE JANE
Silver Member
This is just getting sick. Guy doesn't want to do escrow, so he is automatically not worth dealing with?

I've heard nothing but great things about F_n_L's escrow service, but before I knew about that, I figured he was a fifteen y/o boy going through puberty, solely based upon his avatar and signature lines about pornstars. Sorry, but I'm not sure he is who I would escrow with before being on this forum for quite a while.

Final thing, I can't blame the guy for not doing escrow. I've never had a bad deal and they have still been major pains in the ass. I don't need to add another level of BS to it.

dld

IMO, if a new seller won't use escrow, than no, he isn't worth dealing with..... Why take an unnecessary risk? Maybe you have more money than you know what to do with, so you don't mind taking blind risks with it, but I always prefer to keep my $ safe.

Have you not read the 10,000 threads where the buyer got ripped off by an unknown seller? Escrow eliminates those, keeps buyers and sellers safe, and eliminates the extra threads that pollute an already busy W/FS section.


On another note, why would I have to be a 15 year old because I appreciate fine ass? ....... So it's alright that you judge me based on avatars, but this guy can't judge a new seller based on his lack of feedback?
 

FAST_N_LOOSE

<--THE AMAZING JESSE JANE
Silver Member
First, I don't that you should minimize risks.

Second, a cuestick is a luxury item, so by definition anyone buying one has more money than he knows what to do with...or he's an idiot for buying it.

Third, what makes any dude offering escrow inherently more trustworthy than a person selling or buying something?

Finally, I like a nice set of glutes as much as anyone, I just don't feel the need to advertise it and think that anyone who does so in a public forum while advertising/conducting a business has some issues.

dld

You do whatever you want with your money, I'll continue to help others protect theirs.

Ignorance is bliss.

Have a great afternoon, I don't have the patience to continue this "discussion".
 

cueporn

Banned
I am the seller

Made an offer on a cue in the Wanted/For Sale section and wanted to use the escrow service offered by FAST_N_LOOSE as shown on a sticky in that section.

Seller says no way, the escrow guy could just keep the cue and my money and we'd both be screwed with no recourse.

I say you gotta be kidding, the guy's been doing it since 2008, I haven't seen a single complaint, and I doubt if he's been waiting for this deal to go rogue.

Seller insists he will not take the "risk".

To each his own. In the end it was I who would not take the "risk". I suspect the cue isn't quite as mint as described.

Anybody have anything good or bad to say about the escrow service offered by Markus, aka FAST_N_LOOSE?

I have no comment on Marcus or his service. He could be the best in the business and probably is.

AZB does not endorse any escrow. If somebody just made off with the cue ,I would have no recourse. Paypal gives the buyer 100% control of the deal. I offerred a escrow with a noted cuemaker and past multiyear president of the cuemakers association. The cue is virgin, perfect, so it should be simple. Th reason I use the cuemaker is expert evaluation and communication between the buyer and I PLUS it only gets shipped once. The escrow gets tge cue hand delivered from me.

If anybody things that a long time members cant go bad, just search the name hangemhigh. He robbed several members and one $3000 cue. I was one of his first near victims...too bad for him I paid with Paypal and jyst stopped payment.
 

cueporn

Banned
Btw

You can buy the cue for $2750 now.
I have had guys overseas send me over 3k on 4 occassions for cues up front. They were shipped through custons, uninsured at their risk.

If you want the cue do this:
Send me payment by paypal
I ship to Marcus to inspect and if he approves he ships to you.
I take zero liability for shipment from him to you

Or
Just pay with Paypal and a credit card
Return the cue in 3 days of receipt for any reason
If anything happens just start a chargeback with PP

Chargeback pulls money fromPP. The PP puts a negative balance on seller. When item is returned to seller you are out of the deal. Really simple as I explained

If you want Dan Dishaw to inspect the cue an escrow the deal its simple to do.


Would you ship a 3000 dollar cue to a stranger from the web????? No offense to Marcua, but nobody gets this unless I see the cash up front. Just like ever cue I ever bought or sold....and there's been many.

Bill McDaniel cue all white is ivory, its just stunning . Solid ivory JPs. Worth every last penny of 2750.

Some people are tirekickers ...others are buyers....which one are you???
 

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classiccues

Don't hashtag your broke friends
Silver Member
No they do not. Go back and read my thread on getting ripped off and what I had to do to get the cue back. Paypal has a seller and a buyer guarantee, so tell me how that is possible.

Let me explain to you how you could get ripped off and have no recourse whatsoever... Guy buys the cue from you, claims to get an empty box. Goes to the police station and gets a theft report with your name on it. He sends it to paypal and you are finished. Paypal's policy is the FIRST person to show them a police report wins. It is now a civil matter and they wash their hands of it. This is a fact and I know it from first hand experience.

What happened to me was I wanted to return the cue, as the buyer, which I did, then he claimed the box was empty. We went back and forth then he went to the police department and filed a report. I was then stonewalled till I caught the SOB reselling the cue and had to do it all on my own. There is NO protection from paypal at anytime that is fool proof.

JV

I have no comment on Marcus or his service. He could be the best in the business and probably is.

AZB does not endorse any escrow. If somebody just made off with the cue ,I would have no recourse. Paypal gives the buyer 100% control of the deal. I offerred a escrow with a noted cuemaker and past multiyear president of the cuemakers association. The cue is virgin, perfect, so it should be simple. Th reason I use the cuemaker is expert evaluation and communication between the buyer and I PLUS it only gets shipped once. The escrow gets tge cue hand delivered from me.

If anybody things that a long time members cant go bad, just search the name hangemhigh. He robbed several members and one $3000 cue. I was one of his first near victims...too bad for him I paid with Paypal and jyst stopped payment.
 
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cueporn

Banned
No they do not. Go back and read my thread on getting ripped off and what I had to do to get the cue back. Paypal has a seller and a buyer guarantee, so tell me how that is possible.

Let me explain to you how you could get ripped off and have no recourse whatsoever... Guy buys the cue from you, claims to get an empty box. Goes to the police station and gets a theft report with your name on it. He sends it to paypal and you are finished. Paypal's policy is the FIRST person to show them a police report wins. It is now a civil matter and they wash their hands of it. This is a fact and I know it from first hand experience.

What happened to me was I wanted to return the cue, as the buyer, which I did, then he claimed the box was empty. We went back and forth then he went to the police department and filed a report. I was then stonewalled till I caught the SOB reselling the cue and had to do it all on my own. There is NO protection from paypal at anytime that is fool proof.

JV

If you stopped paument with a credit card, your scensrio would be different. Paypal will never come beteeen themselves and the money. They hit the seller with a negstive balance immefiately.
The buyer has all the control with PP. I suppose they could clsim receipt of an empty box. All I know is I have sold just under 100 cues and all deals have gone smoothly. I had one returned once, no big deal. I think the guys wife had a problem with it ($).

So do you get cash payment up front? Westetn union or Paypal for "services". With a

recognized cue dealership you can get that.

What is a guy like me supposed to do? If I asked for unsecured cash payment, nothing would sell.

People just need to be real and show a little faith. Its pretty sad what accounts for morality today. I have never robbed anyone ever...stole a piece of gum when I was 7 if that counts. My father's belt marks still hurt.
 
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