Is a statement by a person who was present for the event considered to be evidence? If so, that was not the truth.
The critics have been silenced...
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What was the statement and who was the person?
Lou Figueroa
testimony does not
automatically
equal truth
Evidence? Yes. Substantiated evidence? No...not yet.
The guy who was racking and the text was "626 baby!" I had a further confirmation after they checked the count. (Previously a run of 421 that I was present for had been counted as 435 until the video was checked later. They were fully aware that a video count was needed.)
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...and your point is?
The real takeaway is that for this exhibition Willy started with a setup ball in hand break shot.
Something that I thought you said he never did.
Now let's play devils advocate, say that he continued his run in the studio, until he pocketed 626 balls in a row.
Would you grant him a high run record?
The real takeaway is that for this exhibition Willy started with a setup ball in hand break shot.
Something that I thought you said he never did.
Now let's play devils advocate, say that he continued his run in the studio, until he pocketed 626 balls in a row.
Would you grant him a high run record?
Not at all but I don't think it should have any baring on him getting into the hall of fame
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I have to say that I fully think John is capable of running 626, but the fact that this run seems to only have been witnessed by one other person, was not streamed, and conveniently came the day after he discovered a "secret" of straight pool just does not sit 100% with me. If there is any cut or skip in the video, I would not allow the record. If he did it in front of an audience fine. But in front of 1 person and video released seemingly well after the fact? Not so sure of that to be frank.
Wasn't there the guy who was racking for Mosconi -- Charlie Ursitti -- the day he ran just short of 600 at the Waldorf-Astoria?
My impression was that one guy, even one with Ursitti's credentials, wasn't considered sufficient evidence to declare a record.
Lou Figueroa
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm not aware that Mosconi or Ursitti were trying to claim the official record was 589 at any point.
Also, the 609 gets even more difficult. Only Mosconi accounts for it, not Ursitti, given available information. I've posted it in other threads.
Again, correct me if I'm wrong.
All the best,
WW
I don't know about all that.
I was speaking to the run Mosconi made warming up for his match with Fats. No record was being attempted but I think that would be immaterial. He ran balls until he broke them wide open and had less than 14 to reach 600 and laid down his cue.
Charlie Ursitti was rackman and obviously the witness.
Lou Figueroa
Well, but aren't you the one who says a signed affidavit is the necessary standard in those days before video? That is what has held the 526 as the official record.
Just trying to understand...
All the best,
WW
Yes, I said that about the affidavit for multiple witnesses -- so?
Now we seem to be talking about one guy.
Lou Figueroa
In John’s Facebook thing he said there were about a dozen people watching that day, the pool hall had just opened up for regular customers.
I’m ready to see the video myself though that’s for sure
Whose the idiot? You said the critics were silenced.
Very well said.
It seems pool has more naysayers than anything.
Anyone does something great, or in this case, phenomenal, and they come out of the woodwork to decry and debase. It makes me think that we deserve what little we get because we go out of our way to shoot ourselves in the foot. We cannot even appreciate or elevate one of our own. Not only was THE record crushed by 100 balls, but it was also done by an AMERICAN on AMERICAN soil. I mention this because I see many posts here and on FB about American pride, patriotism, etc.
Where is the love, the appreciation? And why isn't John being rightfully exalted for this magnificent achievement? Just this weekend I asked another player what he thought about the record being broken and he said calmly, "I don't give a sh**." John should be featured on ESPN in some segment, or on Real Sports with Bryant Gumbel...something...anything in addition to a small segment on local news. We pool players are our own worst enemy and we won't hesitate to eat our young.
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