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pool's greatest might-have-beens - 06-17-2019, 03:33 AM

looking at dr. dave's list GOAT candidate list, I couldn't help but think of ronnie alcano- maybe he doesn't make that cut,
but in his pomp, ronnie was an absolute beast on the baize- and has a few world championships to back up that statement.
I know he still plays, and so anything is still possible, but I wonder if he could have done better in pool, given his talent.

what do y'all think? any other ronnie fans? any other guys that could have made the GOAT list, were they to get a roll or so?


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06-17-2019, 05:34 AM

Wow, hate to label anyone as an underachiever, but a couple of guys who were denied a more substantial career because they died young were Nick Vlahos of the Northeast and Tony Ellin of South Carolina. The more obscure but celebrated Boy Bikol, a Filipino superstar who influenced Efren Reyes, was murdered. Some say he played better than Efren. All three are "might-have-been" players.

A player from the late 1990's was denied his chance by a condition that ended his career. By the age of eighteen, he was already starting to be counted among the most elite. He was Michael Coltrain of North Carolina, a protege of Johnny Archer. He's a "might have been" along with others who had conditions or ailments that obstructed their careers as pro pool players.

Others may also have had the talent to have had greater success, but full-time jobs made it impossible for them to reach the very first tier of professional pool achievement. One such guy was Jack Colavita, a craftsman/machinist from New Jersey, once voted by his peers (on the PPPA tour in the early 1980's) as having the best stroke in the game despite the presence of guys like Mizerak, Rempe, Sigel, Varner and some others. Jack is, consequently, a "might have been" as are many others like him.

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06-17-2019, 05:43 AM

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Wow, hate to label anyone as an underachiever, but a couple of guys who were denied a more substantial career because they died young were Nick Vlahos of the Northeast and Tony Ellin of South Carolina. The more obscure but celebrated Boy Bikol, a Filipino superstar who influenced Efren Reyes, was murdered. Some say he played better than Efren. All three are "might-have-been" players.

A player from the late 1990's was denied his chance by a condition that ended his career. By the age of eighteen, he was already starting to be counted among the most elite. He was Michael Coltrain of North Carolina, a protege of Johnny Archer. He's a "might have been" along with others who had conditions or ailments that obstructed their careers as pro pool players.

Others may also have had the talent to have had greater success, but full-time jobs made it impossible for them to reach the very first tier of professional pool achievement. One such guy was Jack Colavita, a craftsman/machinist from New Jersey, once voted by his peers (on the PPPA tour in the early 1980's) as having the best stroke in the game despite the presence of guys like Mizerak, Rempe, Sigel, Varner and some others. Jack is, consequently, a might have been" as are many others like him.
Coltrane's story is kinda brutal. He was a monster and to have that "shakes"(focal task dystonia iirc)deal happen was cruel. I saw him play James Walden an epic match here in Tulsa in '96. James gave him the 8 playing 10ahead for 10dimes. Coltrane got to the hill three times but Walden came back to get the dough. MC could have easily gone on to be a world champion.

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06-17-2019, 05:52 AM

mark tad was on the brink of greatness
when he gave up the game for religious reasons

later i think it was gambling that he wanted to quit and
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06-17-2019, 05:53 AM

what i think is that this will turn into another reminisce thread where old timers maunders on about the unverifiable prowess of some pooly mcpoolface from jerksville

but ronnie we have all seen. might have been, i dunno. he did pretty good in a time where there was decent prize money. can't blame him for making other life choices when the well ran dry. he wasn't that young when he won the WC either, iirc
  
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06-17-2019, 08:36 AM

Brendan Crockett died, with his brother, in a car crash.
He was just starting to spread his wings at 21 years old.
Mark Wilson thought he had ‘IT’

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06-17-2019, 08:53 AM

Harold Worst died of brain cancer at 37. Maybe no one ever had a better chance of dominating in subsequent years.

Ronnie Allen's stories about Harold are pretty convincing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c05AHZrvbU0&t=783s
  
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06-17-2019, 09:19 AM

watching a lot of the Seminole pro tour videos on youtube, there were a lot of young up and comers. Dustin Morris comes to mind and another kid from Baltimore who everyone raved about.
  
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06-17-2019, 10:00 AM

How about a happy one: Landon Shuffett.
  
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06-17-2019, 10:04 AM

There was a guy in Tallahassee that died before I got there, I believe his name was Mike Carella, and everyone who saw him said he could have been a world champion. I think I have his name right, but I’m sure some old Florida cracker here can correct me if I’m wrong. Unfortunately he got into some stupid stuff and died too young. There was this old world champion snooker player who lived in tally that had plenty of stories of how well Carrela gambled. Especially at 9 ball.
  
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06-17-2019, 11:19 AM

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Harold Worst died of brain cancer at 37. Maybe no one ever had a better chance of dominating in subsequent years.

Ronnie Allen's stories about Harold are pretty convincing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c05AHZrvbU0&t=783s
True, but Worst missed the list because it only pertains to 1970-present. He is widely regarded as having a place in the conversation of GOAT if all eras of the game of included.

As you note, his death at a young age denied him the chance to be even greater, but as others have noted previously on this forum, Lassiter may have been the best all-around player during Worst's prime, but not if three cushion billiards is included in the mix, in which case Worst must be counted above Lassiter.
  
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Reminded me of... - 06-17-2019, 11:30 AM

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06-17-2019, 11:46 AM

Is Stevie Moore still able to play? I always loved watching him.
  
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06-17-2019, 12:10 PM

Before there was Jose Parica and Efren Reyes, there was Boy Bicol.
Efren said Boy Bicol would make that cue ball land where he wanted all the time.
Unfortunately, Boy Bicol was murdered .


  
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06-17-2019, 12:17 PM

Tony Drago started playing pool late in his mid 30's, and then all but gave it up after a few successful years to concentrate on snooker. He won the pool masters, and Predator 10 ball and MVP'd Mosconi Cup. Could have done alot if he hadn't been so focused on having an average snooker career.
  
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