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05-05-2009, 07:30 AM

I play a lot of barbox 8 ball, and I've noticed that most of the time when I hit the balls "perfect", I come up dry. Hitting hard, and squatting the CB looks pretty, but I'm slowly becoming convinced it's not the best way to break...

When I hit the rack hard, and send the CB directly to the rail on the side I'm breaking from, I tend to make 2 or 3 balls, and still spread them pretty well.

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05-05-2009, 08:15 AM

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I'm not sure if it's lack of execution or lack of luck! lol I'm putting the cue ball at the corner of the break box. I aiming to hit the cue ball middle and the head ball as solid as possible. I turn my hips in at contact to gain power and drive the the cue through the ball. The damn rack is blowing up. Balls flying every where. But nothing is dropping! I would say in 5 breaks maybe 2 I drop a ball. The rack is wide open with nothing dropping...not a good way to start lol Any tips out there?
Just keep doing what you're doing and don't get discouraged. Don't make any major changes to your break. Just break from a different spot if you're breaking dry. Most tables have a sweet spot where you can break from and balls are more likely to be pocketed on the break. Observe where your opponent is breaking from. If he is making balls, break from exactly the same spot he breaks from. If you find a spot that's working, stick with it.

You're probablly just having a little bad luck. The break shot in 8-ball or 9-ball is a lot like a jump shot in basketball. Some nights everything goes in. Other nights, nothing goes. In the long run, however, a good breaker or a good jump shooter will have a high percentage of success regardless of some short term bad luck.

It sounds like you have a pretty strong break, just a little short term bad luck. If you're making a ball on the break 40% of the time, that's not too bad. If you're breaking as good as you say, you'll probably make something 60% of the time when the luck starts going more your way, as it eventually will.

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05-05-2009, 08:18 AM

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During a lesson with johnny archer he said he usually breaks 8 ball from the middle of the table maybe a few inches to either side. He said it give the best spread and the best chance of a ball dropping.
Very good point. I've heard Mike Sigel same the same thing. This is what I usually do for an 8-ball break too.
  
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05-05-2009, 02:04 PM

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Hi Bill!

The tournament was at Ground Zero club in Zagreb, Croatia.

Final 8 participants were:
Dalmatin, Putnik, Mladenovic, Klasovic, Foldes, Susnjara, Tot, Erculj

Semis:
Vilmos Foldes - Sandor Tot 10-9
Karlo Dalmatin - Goran Mladenovic 10-5

In the final Vilmos Foldes beat current Croatian #1 player Karlo Dalmatin by a 10-8 scoreline. He picked up 5500 first prize and a trophy.

In the semifinal between Sandor Tot and Vilmos Foldes, Sandor was breaking at hill-hill and no balls went down. Vilmos cleared, so 2000 lost in one shot for Sandor.

Interesting that Sandor Tot was partying all Saturday night. He stayed in the club until 6 a.m., but had little trouble getting up Sunday morning for last 16 match. He played lights out for most of the Sunday despite having so little sleep. The amount of energy this man has for playing pool is just amazing. His fellow players have seen it time and time again, but still can't quite believe it.

Some other international stars were supposed to appear, but didn't. It seems that a lot of top European pro's ask for appearence fee. Can't say I blame them, but this tournament was up for grabs...plenty of amateurs in it also. Our club owner has a firm stance on appearence fees, he won't pay any. But, unlike in some high profile international events however, the players got payed immediately, just like last year.
Thanks Pred for the informations !

A good one for Vilmos and Karlo. I am a bit surprise that there wasn't much German or Dutch players... The prize money was great.

About Sandor, I also have some nice experiences LOL This guy is incredible... not human, and what a great player ! I really like him, he has so much heart for the game... and partying


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05-05-2009, 02:52 PM

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Oh yeah baby!! The APA break!! Guaranteed clusters
It's more than that. Watch the top players at the BCA and Valley national tournaments and I bet you half will be using this break with great success. Especially the master players.

Yes, you may get some clusters but if you're a strong player, it's more important to keep control of the table than have a wide open table.

I start off with the head ball break and then switch to the second ball break if the standard break isn't working for me.

About a month ago I was practicing between matches with my team and I ran my first 5 pack (I'm calling it a 5 pack even though I didn't break the first rack, my opponent broke empty). I used the 2nd ball break every time and only had a tough table on one of the four racks that I ran out. I didn't make a ball on the fifth rack.


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05-05-2009, 03:29 PM

A lot of good advice already on here. I have to disagree with a couple of points people have made though....

You're right to worry about spreading the balls for your opponent. And, I firmly believe that hitting the same break over and over and hoping for different results is foolish. When you're playing a strong player who will run out a dry break, I don't see any reason not to try something a little different. If you're already losing games on your break, what's the worst that could happen? Of course, if your opponent isn't getting out from your dry breaks, and instead ends up clearing things out of your way, then maybe you've found a recipe for success...

Unfortunately, no matter how many of the variables you try to control, you're still going to need some luck to consistently make a ball in 8-ball.

Here are the four things I toy around with when I'm struggling to make a ball on the break:

1. Switch spots on the table. Rather than shooting the mirror shot on the other side of the table, I find I have more success by moving a few inches at a time on the same side of the table. It's probably in my head, but it works for me.

2. Change the break speed (slow it down). I'm consistently amazed by how softly you can break the pack and still drop a ball or two. Plus, the balls are likely to spread a little differently, and if nothing drops, maybe your opponent will have a harder time running out.

3. 2nd ball break. This is the old standby. You've completely changed the impact point with the rack, and you should get completely different results. By playing with the speed (usually taking some off), you can retain a good deal of control over how clustered the balls get.

4. Break from the same spot as with the 2nd ball break, but try to clip the head ball on the way in. It's really important with this break to keep the speed down, and try to minimize the jumping of the cue ball. I usually hit this break with my regular playing cue, because I have better control. A last resort, because it's playing with all different types of fire, but with the high risk comes the high reward. I probably make more balls and get a better spread this way than with any other 8-ball break. I also jump the cue ball off the table or scratch more often this way than any other way.

Don't let yourself get discouraged. Just look at it as a challenge and a puzzle to solve.
  
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05-05-2009, 04:18 PM

no worries about getting discouraged..Ive been playing this game on almost a daily basis for 23 years. It's little things like this that keep the fires burning and keep you coming back.

Today I was breaking from the center with about the same results. Although when I switched to 9 ball with that break I was dropping a ball 4 out 5 racks. most of the time dropping more then ball.

The one thing I noticed when I blow it up wide open I don't drop anything..when I leave clusters is when I'll drop a couple balls. lol
  
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05-05-2009, 04:20 PM

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no worries about getting discouraged..Ive been playing this game on almost a daily basis for 23 years. It's little things like this that keep the fires burning and keep you coming back.

Today I was breaking from the center with about the same results. Although when I switched to 9 ball with that break I was dropping a ball 4 out 5 racks. most of the time dropping more then ball.

The one thing I noticed when I blow it up wide open I don't drop anything..when I leave clusters is when I'll drop a couple balls. lol
So now work on breaking up clusters or if you can't get out play safe early in the rack and not late. If you can't get out in 8 ball then don't even try.

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05-06-2009, 04:26 PM

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If you can't get out in 8 ball then don't even try.

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ha ha.... I'm pretty sure I know what you meant by that, but out of context it's pretty funny!
  
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05-06-2009, 04:29 PM

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ha ha.... I'm pretty sure I know what you meant by that, but out of context it's pretty funny!
Just to explain what I did mean - I meant if you can't run out the rack for sure then don't try.

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05-06-2009, 04:34 PM

Well the center spot break was working great playing 9 ball today lol I was droping the wing ball I would say 7 out of 10 breaks and dropping a ball 9 out of 10. I had 3 breaks in a row where I dropped 4 then 5 then 4 balls again on the break. With and easy shot on the first ball. Christ If I could consistantly do that all the time your gonna see me on ESPN soon lol
  
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05-06-2009, 06:49 PM

weird for a center break to work in 9 ball but congrats

I had tried a few inches off of center in the believe it subtly skews the break to one side and gets a higher chance of making a ball. But after doing it for probably the last 3+ years and then switching to absolute dead center, I can say for sure I get a ball on the break more often with dead center, plus awesome spreads. I really notice balls fighting to go into the side, and often when I make more than one ball it's gonna be in the sides.

I do know what 420trooper is saying tho, when I dry break and squat the cue ball it drives me nuts. But it's a little different on a barbox. I think barboxes already have a lot of spread issues, between the dirty equipment and slow cloth, so I definitely whale on it from dead center to eke out every last bit of energy I can. But I've had breaks where the CB bashes them dramatically, hops straight up and bounces, squats in the middle, and absolutely nothing went in. So maybe for a barbox you really should do that break a couple of inches off to the side.

Really, the only absolute truth is every table is different and you gotta find the breaking tricks that work on your particular table.
  
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