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Having a Backer … Less Pressure? Or More? - 09-10-2013, 07:04 AM

Dear Gentle Readers,

Since the most I’ve ever wagered on a game of pool is a drink, and since nobody in the known universe would consider placing even that pittance at risk on me, I’m probably well-qualified to opine on the subject.

My first reaction to this question was … easy peasy … the player has nothing to lose, and a lot to gain. Yet, that little voice we all hear (you do know that voice, don’t you?) told me to reassess my assumption.

(Naturally the stakehorse has a few considerations of his own before entering the fray:

> Trust. Of course.

> Confidence. Natch.

> Timeline. One-off or long term project?)

As with so much in life, I believe the question of pressure comes down to relationships.

If it’s Mr. S. Horse’s first flutter with Mr. Player, I imagine the pressure to prevail falls squarely upon the player. Probably true for the next couple of ventures as well.

The backer can, presumably, afford the loss; the player doesn’t want to squander the trust. Nor the future opportunities. Nor the negative peer appraisal.

If, after several contests, the relationship continues, I believe the player can relax a bit -- comfortable with the financial contract, optimistic regarding the long-term relationship, and reasonably upbeat about his backer-vetted chances to win -- all without those nagging ‘how do I explain this to the wife if I lose the money?’ questions.

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09-10-2013, 07:10 AM

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Dear Gentle Readers,

Since the most I’ve ever wagered on a game of pool is a drink, and since nobody in the known universe would consider placing even that pittance at risk on me, I’m probably well-qualified to opine on the subject.

My first reaction to this question was … easy peasy … the player has nothing to lose, and a lot to gain. Yet, that little voice we all hear (you do know that voice, don’t you?) told me to reassess my assumption.

(Naturally the stakehorse has a few considerations of his own before entering the fray:

> Trust. Of course.

> Confidence. Natch.

> Timeline. One-off or long term project?)

As with so much in life, I believe the question of pressure comes down to relationships.

If it’s Mr. S. Horse’s first flutter with Mr. Player, I imagine the pressure to prevail falls squarely upon the player. Probably true for the next couple of ventures as well.

The backer can, presumably, afford the loss; the player doesn’t want to squander the trust. Nor the future opportunities. Nor the negative peer appraisal.

If, after several contests, the relationship continues, I believe the player can relax a bit -- comfortable with the financial contract, optimistic regarding the long-term relationship, and reasonably upbeat about his backer-vetted chances to win -- all without those nagging ‘how do I explain this to the wife if I lose the money?’ questions.

Shining a precision spotlight into the demimonde of pool is my life,

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09-10-2013, 07:13 AM

That answer for me, is more!

Every time i played with someone elses money, it put more pressure on me, cause if i lose, then i got to worry what they are going to say, are they thinking i dumped them, cause i happen to play bad that set.

Much easier to play on your own money, if you lose atlesae you dont have to answer to anybody, or hear any negative bullshit!

And most of the time when i played, i was always betting all my money, if i lost it wasnt no big deal i been broke many a times.

So with that frame of mind it tend to put less pressure on me!
  
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09-10-2013, 07:15 AM

I only played with a backer when they requested staking me because they believed me to be a lock. I do not feel any pressure when they request staking me. I always tell myself and everyone that I will do my best.

I prefer to play on my own cash because I don't like sharing.


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09-10-2013, 09:47 AM

STAKEHORSE = LESS PRESSURE...
Unless the Stakehorse carries the name of TONY SOPRANO
  
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09-10-2013, 09:54 AM

totally dependent on the personality of the player
  
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well - 09-10-2013, 10:07 AM

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That answer for me, is more!

Every time i played with someone elses money, it put more pressure on me, cause if i lose, then i got to worry what they are going to say, are they thinking i dumped them, cause i happen to play bad that set.

Much easier to play on your own money, if you lose atlesae you dont have to answer to anybody, or hear any negative bullshit!

And most of the time when i played, i was always betting all my money, if i lost it wasnt no big deal i been broke many a times.

So with that frame of mind it tend to put less pressure on me!
I've had people back me and others who've wanted to back me. I tell them basically two things. One, you wanted to back me so understand it's on you. Two, anything we win is yours if you wanna give me something that's fine but I don't expect it. I just love to play. Some like it and some don't.most insist up front to give me half of the winnings. I don't know if they understand that I'm serious about not caring about the money. Don't get me wrong if I won it's nice to have a little sumpin thrown my way, but I care more about just playing.



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09-10-2013, 10:29 AM

Playing on my own money is simple.

Backers money brings in alot of questions and or excuses.

I like simple.

It leaves only the game to focus on.



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09-10-2013, 12:55 PM

For whatever reason it takes a load off my mind to not pay. I hate losing even a dollar.
Not that I'm so broke or I never waste money otherwise, I just hate losing money at pool.
I pretty much don't gamble but occasionally if someone backs me, I can just relax.
I play better than I would betting my own.

I don't worry about the well running dry because I'm not addicted to action and if I never
got another money game again I don't care. I do care though if a friend thinks
I let them down. But they're never gonna see me shoot halfassed on their dime.
  
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09-10-2013, 01:11 PM

I've been staked only once and i lost... I really should have scraped the guy i was playing against, but I did feel more pressure. If i ever get backed again, i will keep some of these comments in mind.

On the other hand, I've had people place side bets against me, and that made me only play better. I cleaned up on a guy who was as good, if not better than I. Pride can be a powerful thing....
  
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Having a Backer … Less Pressure? Or More? - 09-10-2013, 01:33 PM

I've won more times than I've lost with a backer.

I've also won more betting my own than I've lost,and won more betting my own than I've won while playing on a backer's dime.

My feelings on it are pretty simple. While I HAVE won with someone behind me,I never felt 100% comfortable with MYSELF OR my chances against a given opponent when I'm not betting my own.

It puts me in a negative frame of mind to not have the bankroll to finance the game myself,and it can affect my decision making and execution once the game has started,due to trying too hard to "protect" my backer's investment. Because of this,I've lost to guys that had never beaten me out of my own money.

I know that it's not supposed to work like that,where you freewheel when it's not costing you anything if you lose,but it's never worked out that way for me.

The biggest sets I've ever played (won,came out even,or lost),and the biggest scores I've ever made,were accomplished by having the cash to make the game myself.

On the other hand,I might look at it different,and perform better if the backer wasn't a close friend. I've never let a stranger or casual acquaintance get involved on my end. Tommy D.


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09-10-2013, 02:57 PM

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09-10-2013, 03:08 PM

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totally dependent on the personality of the player
^^ this.

If you are the type of person that worries about what other people think (like me), playing for other people's money would definately increase the pressure.



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09-10-2013, 05:09 PM

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totally dependent on the personality of the player
And I will add the stakehorse as well! I play both and play a hair better with a stakehorse! I think the relationship between the player and stakehorse is huge! My guy tells me to play, I play! He has told me he will put me in the box even if its 70% against me! He knows I will try, and he knows I don't give up, EVER!!!! I was down 14-5 going to 15 and came back to win 1k! My friend was hooked, and we've made some$$$! When I lose, I feel bad and he says dude, don't sweat it, we are still so ahead it doesn't matter! I like being in the box and he enjoys putting me there! Again, basically what nostroke says, just and the stakehorse as well!
  
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