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stainless steel ? ivory ? or wood-to-wood joint ? - 09-03-2007, 10:00 AM

hi guys...

just wanna find out about the different type of hits on different joints...

what do u guys think about it?

which one give better feedback ?
which one has harder hit ?
which one.....

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Joints - 09-03-2007, 10:11 AM

I have all three with both large (3/8x10 & Radial ) & and small pins (5/16x14 or 18).
I like the Ivory for 1 pocket and straight pool and the steel for 8 & 9 ball. I also like the wood to wood natural feel. The ferrule, joint & tip are what makes for a "HIT" IMHO. I like different tip and ferrule combinations with each joint also.
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09-03-2007, 10:18 AM

so to ur opinion.. which one gives u the best control over the cue ball ? ... coze for me, i like medium hit, and seems like wood-to-wood best fits my style of play...
i dun quite like the steel joint, think it's too hard, and too "dead" on the hits...

but would love to try the ivory joint...
  
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09-03-2007, 10:28 AM

I have all three also. I played with a steel joint for a long time, so the wood to wood joint actually feels too soft to me. I don't think either helps you control the cue ball better, just different. The wood to wood makes it easier to produce shots requiring small amounts of travel with more touch, but harder on long draw shots or forced follow. The opposite with the sttel joint. I find the ivory joint somewhere in between. The tip will play into this also though, so make sure to factor that in.
  
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09-03-2007, 10:36 AM

I can already feel burning eyes looking at this post and what I'm about to suggest.

This is why that (and I'll qualify my statement to take the edge off ) at least for me, a production cue is just fine. Feel is PURELY an individual thing.

Go to some supply store with tables and hit with a bunch of different cues until you feel the one you like. Some places (most places) won't allow you to use chalk. Thats ok, you don't even need an object ball. Just make some center ball hits till you find the feel you like.

I remain bewildered after 45+ yrs at this game how some can simply order a cue without playing with it. I dunno, I'd rather pick up a Dufferin that I like for 40 bucks than order some high tech inlaided thing from across the country only to find I don't care for it and now I'm forced to "learn to like it".
  
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09-03-2007, 11:11 AM

2 words, IVORY TITLIST!

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09-03-2007, 11:53 AM

Steel hits hardest, wood gives most feedback, Ivory looks the prettiest

steel is strongest, ivory is the weakest but all can last a lifetime if not abused

the end result is the same with all, joints have no effect on the cue ball

feel can be altered just as much with different tapers, tips, and woods

feel is vastly over rated, as are most cues, all cues give you some feedback, it's just a matter of adjustment from one to another

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09-03-2007, 01:16 PM

I personally have always liked the stiffest most solid hit. My joint is and always will be the 5/16 piloted SS joint. I wont buy anything else. (well not yet anyway)


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Is it the joint?? - 09-03-2007, 01:51 PM

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hi guys...

just wanna find out about the different type of hits on different joints...

what do u guys think about it?

which one give better feedback ?
which one has harder hit ?
which one.....

so what's ur opinion on the type of joints? ....
Is it really the joint that makes the difference?

Actually, the shaft makes all the difference in the world, when it comes to what action you get. The taper is very important. The pro taper allows more flexibility than the graduated taper or the straight taper.

Then, there's the tip. The softer tip allows more grab for English, but it also mushrooms more easily. The harder tip works best if you don't need English and need a more powerful shot... for instance, on the break.

The ferrule does make a difference, but the shaft taper and the tip are probably the most overlooked items, when it comes to figuring out what hits best. Everyone always assumes it is the joint.

For the record, I like my wood-to-wood joint best, with a close run by the phenolic collars. I used to think i needed a stainless steel or brass collar on my cues, but my whole game got better with the others. I also noticed that the shafts with the metal collars were more straight or graduated tapers, not pro tapers. The cues with the joints I seem to like best also have pro tapers on them. I now use the thicker taper cues I have for break cues. I have a WB Water Buffalo tip put on them and away I go! I don't have to put near the effort into my break, but I make at least one ball on most breaks, now.
  
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09-03-2007, 02:58 PM

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hi guys...

just wanna find out about the different type of hits on different joints...

what do u guys think about it?

which one give better feedback ?

which one has harder hit ?
which one.....

so what's ur opinion on the type of joints? ....

wood to wood


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09-03-2007, 03:07 PM

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Is it really the joint that makes the difference?

Actually, the shaft makes all the difference in the world, when it comes to what action you get. The taper is very important. The pro taper allows more flexibility than the graduated taper or the straight taper.

Then, there's the tip. The softer tip allows more grab for English, but it also mushrooms more easily. The harder tip works best if you don't need English and need a more powerful shot... for instance, on the break.

The ferrule does make a difference, but the shaft taper and the tip are probably the most overlooked items, when it comes to figuring out what hits best. Everyone always assumes it is the joint.

For the record, I like my wood-to-wood joint best, with a close run by the phenolic collars. I used to think i needed a stainless steel or brass collar on my cues, but my whole game got better with the others. I also noticed that the shafts with the metal collars were more straight or graduated tapers, not pro tapers. The cues with the joints I seem to like best also have pro tapers on them. I now use the thicker taper cues I have for break cues. I have a WB Water Buffalo tip put on them and away I go! I don't have to put near the effort into my break, but I make at least one ball on most breaks, now.
the joint(and probably the rest of the cue below the joint as well) is the most overlooked. it may have less obvious impact, but that is why it is the most overlooked. from the butt taper to materials used(especially materials, since say for instance,,,an ebony arm hits differently from paduak).

and actually, in terms of action on the cb, i have to disagree with you....the shaft is the FIRST thing everyone thinks of.

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09-03-2007, 03:17 PM

its all a matter of opinion, i like SS the best. Probably because the weight moves the balancew point foward a little-thats just a guess. But I have some cues that are not SS and they play great too, thus its hard to say whitch one is best, there is no right answere. I like the look of SS or Ivory but that depends again on the overall look/design of the cue.


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wood to wood with a wood pin - 09-03-2007, 03:38 PM

wood to wood joint, linen pheonlic collars. i have had a few 1p players request ivory collars with the wood pin.
  
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me too, but - 09-03-2007, 04:45 PM

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I personally have always liked the stiffest most solid hit. My joint is and always will be the 5/16 piloted SS joint. I wont buy anything else. (well not yet anyway)
I too have always liked the stiffest most solid hit, that's why I go with the flat-face, big-pin, Ivory or Phenolic joint. And, a mean parbolic taper. IMO, as close to a 1-piece as you can get.


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