New 2020 Brunswick Centennial

Lawnboy77 · Sep 5, 2020

jay helfert said:
Thanks Trent. A couple of things happen when you get older. The first thing is you begin to lose your memory and the second thing is.......the second thing is.......the second thing......is I forgot!

No worries Jay, from a playability standpoint there really isn't any difference between the Centennial and Anniversary. One has more bling bling than the other, but performance is the same.

pt109 · Sep 5, 2020

MJB said:
Reminds me of my first motorcycle...chrome for days.

Give me the understated look of an Anniversary table. That and the whole "made in China, assembled in USA" is a bit of a turn off.

I’m with you...especially the older Anniversaries with wood rails.

But for me, Brunswick’s biggest winners are the older Kling/Arcade models...I picture these
with a modern Diamond one-piece slate and Diamond rails..re-styled to suit the table...
..if they could do it, the price would probably be prohibitive.

jtompilot · Sep 5, 2020

pt109 said:
I’m with you...especially the older Anniversaries with wood rails.

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But for me, Brunswick’s biggest winners are the older Kling/Arcade models...I picture these
with a modern Diamond one-piece slate and Diamond rails..re-styled to suit the table...
..if they could do it, the price would probably be prohibitive.

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I do like the kling much better. If I could only get one at a reasonable price.

9ball5032 · Sep 5, 2020

That is a very handsome, well built, decorative, nostalgic table.

12 k ?

I'm good.

magnetardo · Sep 5, 2020

garczar said:
Gold Crowns have been made in China since the late 70's and they're not junk. I predict this table is built very well.Worth $12,000?? Uh, no.

Not true. Closer to the mid 90's although they made some furniture style tables in Brazil prior to that.

GoldCrown · Sep 5, 2020

If someone likes the look of a table and how it plays does it really matter where it is made? Does it? I have no idea where my GC4 came from.

jay helfert · Sep 6, 2020

Lawnboy77 said:
No worries Jay, from a playability standpoint there really isn't any difference between the Centennial and Anniversary. One has more bling bling than the other, but performance is the same.

I like the simplicity and clean lines of the Anniversary more anyway. Never cared for all that 'chrome' around the Centennial. Yep, basically the same table underneath.

garczar · Sep 6, 2020

magnetardo said:
Not true. Closer to the mid 90's although they made some furniture style tables in Brazil prior to that.

Pretty sure the last Brunswick-built GC was sometime in the 3-series. Late 70's-early 80's. After that they just assembled table from mostly outsourced parts. Kimball or Wurlitzer built either whole tables or parts and then Mexico/Brazil/China. I've seen 3's that had some Mexican and Brazilian stuff in them. By the time the 4 came out they were totally outsourcing.

magnetardo · Sep 6, 2020

garczar said:
Pretty sure the last Brunswick-built GC was sometime in the 3-series. Late 70's-early 80's. After that they just assembled table from mostly outsourced parts. Kimball or Wurlitzer built either whole tables or parts and then Mexico/Brazil/China. I've seen 3's that had some Mexican and Brazilian stuff in them. By the time the 4 came out they were totally outsourcing.

Pretty sure Gold Crown 4's came out in the late 90's. Like 1997.

garczar · Sep 6, 2020

magnetardo said:
Pretty sure Gold Crown 4's came out in the late 90's. Like 1997.

That's correct. I think B'wick made pockets and gulleys and everything else was outsourced. IMO they are the best especially if you do the frame support mod to stop end sagging.

trentfromtoledo · Sep 6, 2020

garczar said:
if you do the frame support mod to stop end sagging.

I have restored and worked on many, many 3's. Only ever had the sag issue in a pool room. TIGHTEN the frame bolts properly and Super glue the slate seams= no more problem. People ***** and moan about USA made, yeah< I would prefer that, but, this is a global economy, yet, they all drive cars "made in usa"> That really means: parts made in Asia and assembled here. Blah Blah Blah. Brunswick GC6 is a FINE pool table, its too bad they could not afford to make it here and that would also mean most people here could not afford it at all.

TFT

garczar · Sep 6, 2020

trentfromtoledo said:
I have restored and worked on many, many 3's. Only ever had the sag issue in a pool room. TIGHTEN the frame bolts properly and Super glue the slate seams= no more problem. People ***** and moan about USA made, yeah< I would prefer that, but, this is a global economy, yet, they all drive cars "made in usa"> That really means: parts made in Asia and assembled here. Blah Blah Blah. Brunswick GC6 is a FINE pool table, its too bad they could not afford to make it here and that would also mean most people here could not afford it at all.

TFT

Good point. Sagging is most caused by people sitting/leaning on the ends. I hate that. My rooms is pretty good about keeping people off the tables unless shooting. All GC4's. No issues.

trentfromtoledo · Sep 6, 2020

garczar said:
All GC4's. No issues.

the early 4 had a similar frame and the end sill capped off the long sills. They changed it early on in the 4 production. Great tables. My only want on the new Brunswick Commercial tables:: make the pockets spec's like a diamond & rasson.

TFT

trentfromtoledo · Sep 6, 2020

Thats right Frank! Your table was made over seas. Still looks and plays great!

TFT

GoldCrown said:
If someone likes the look of a table and how it plays does it really matter where it is made? Does it? I have no idea where my GC4 came from.

magnetardo · Sep 6, 2020

garczar said:
That's correct. I think B'wick made pockets and gulleys and everything else was outsourced. IMO they are the best especially if you do the frame support mod to stop end sagging.

Like I said, they didn't start outsourcing until the 90's, besides the slate obviously. Late GC3 era.

GoldCrown · Sep 6, 2020

trentfromtoledo said:
Your table was made over seas. Still looks and plays great!

TFT

yep...new since Sept 1998 and still going. More fun and less aggravation with it than anything I ever bought.

pt109 · Sep 6, 2020

garczar said:
Pretty sure the last Brunswick-built GC was sometime in the 3-series. Late 70's-early 80's. After that they just assembled table from mostly outsourced parts. Kimball or Wurlitzer built either whole tables or parts and then Mexico/Brazil/China. I've seen 3's that had some Mexican and Brazilian stuff in them. By the time the 4 came out they were totally outsourcing.

Had a friend in the late 90s buy 10 new GCIIIs to add to his room....
...within two years he needed new rubber...I’ve wanted nothing to do with Brunswick
Super Speed rubber ever since...although I tried some later..heard they got better...
...they hadn’t.

ThinSlice · Sep 6, 2020

Wrong and wrong. They had a bad batch. That was all. They since have been fine.

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trentfromtoledo · Sep 6, 2020

Some people think because something happened about 20-30 YEARS ago, that those same things are still issues. Brunswick rubber has been great for me. I go through about 20-25 sets a year in my business.

TFT

ThinSlice said:
Wrong and wrong. They had a bad batch. That was all. They since have been fine.

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iusedtoberich · Sep 6, 2020

Yeah, Brunswick had a bad couple of years when switching suppliers. But Diamond has had a bad 30 years of pin ball tables. They even want to make a 960 Simonis to fix it, instead of using a different rubber. Oh well, I digress. To each his own.

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