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Out of line - 02-27-2019, 03:46 PM

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You want proof of my credentials. What are you credentials and proof? Common sense from a guy who had offered no cf experience, whatsoever. Cool.

Don't you find it funny that a company tells people to not use chemicals on its products sells a disposable cleaning wipe that has alcohol (a chemical), and some kind of black polish (also a chemical).

I could list dozens of chemicals used on cf aircraft parts, but you'd just say that people who make cues know more about cf than the people who make airplanes.

If the mods want to get mad at one of us, it should be the guy who spreads made up information. If the want to ban me, is their sandbox, they can decide the depth and quality.
Clocksocket to me appear to be abrasive and somewhat out of line from the start and are coming off as an AH.
Your reply so far indicate you likely donít care but that would be your personality problem and mostly to late to change if true.

Dave could have quoted the manufacturer recommendations first. In this case not Predator but Becue. So far none of the manufacturers have to my knowledge recommend sanding or sealing. With the exception of mentioned black polish. Most Actually stating the opposite and generally only alcohol somewhere between 70-91%. So his reply along with possibly discussing with the manufacturer especially if reasonable new. Sounds pretty sound.
  
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02-27-2019, 03:50 PM

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It will get very smooth, but it is like fiberglass, there will be ends of CF that are exposed and could fracture over time. If you sand, you definitely want to finish after.
I thank you for the info.

I guess after turning the shaft and inlays flush down to the final size, I will just sand with 320, seal finish the shaft, then sand the finish up to 2000 then buff out.

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Clocksocket to me appear to be abrasive and somewhat out of line from the start and are coming off as an AH.
Your reply so far indicate you likely donít care but that would be your personality problem and mostly to late to change if true.

Dave could have quoted the manufacturer recommendations first. In this case not Predator but Becue. So far none of the manufacturers have to my knowledge recommend sanding or sealing. With the exception of mentioned black polish. Most Actually stating the opposite and generally only alcohol somewhere between 70-91%. So his reply along with possibly discussing with the manufacturer especially if reasonable new. Sounds pretty sound.
No manufacturer recommends changing shaft taper, joint, tip or rings, either. How often do those happen?

Contrary to what has begun said about me is worse than what I said about anyone. Calling out misinformation is mach better than calling someone an asshole.
  
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I thank you for the info.

I guess after turning the shaft and inlays flush down to the final size, I will just sand with 320, seal finish the shaft, then sand the finish up to 2000 then buff out.

Thanks again,

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Let me reiterate, inlays in cf will compromise the structural integrity of the shaft and it will likely shatter. If it shatters on a shot, the bridge hand will likely be shredded to hamburger. Shattered cf is as sharp as glass.
  
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02-27-2019, 04:54 PM

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No manufacturer recommends changing shaft taper, joint, tip or rings, either. How often do those happen?

Contrary to what has begun said about me is worse than what I said about anyone. Calling out misinformation is mach better than calling someone an asshole.
First let me clarify I said you’re coming off as an AH. Not that you are one. Sometimes voice tone, choices of words or timing can make one appear much different than intent.
Now reference to tip change most any manufacturer of a cue would recommend you place the tip that suit you the shooter and offer and expect such change. Shaft taper etc I know of none that recommend against it. But would not likely Warrantee it after such changes.

Back to carbon fiber shafts. Having shot CF arrows made by Eastern and then other manufacturers for over 10 years. I know they certainly can simi explode shatter create fragment strands that very easily penetrate the skin. They never like being twisted.
So your point is well made and supported by CFS failure that have shown up already though they appear few. And one reason I would not recommend breaking with one.
It could have been stressed with a break like SVB full table and flexed.

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02-28-2019, 09:06 AM

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If the mods want to get mad at one of us, it should be the guy who spreads made up information. If the want to ban me, is their sandbox, they can decide the depth and quality.

I guess it would be my sandbox then. While it looks like you have valuable information to share, you are doing it in a very aggressive and condescending way. How about we ease off of the "I'm better than you" and just try to be helpful?

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02-28-2019, 12:57 PM

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Let me reiterate, inlays in cf will compromise the structural integrity of the shaft and it will likely shatter. If it shatters on a shot, the bridge hand will likely be shredded to hamburger. Shattered cf is as sharp as glass.
CS,

Thanks for that info, I appreciate you sharing.

I have no experience with this material and was asked to put 10 inch sight inlays indexed at 120 degree.

I told the customer I could do the job in maple but would have to look into the carbon fiber option.

After hearing your advice I will reject to notion of using this material.

You da man!

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I guess it would be my sandbox then. While it looks like you have valuable information to share, you are doing it in a very aggressive and condescending way. How about we ease off of the "I'm better than you" and just try to be helpful?

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02-28-2019, 05:30 PM

Wow this question turned into riot. I just wanted to give a little bit of an update. Like I said before, the shaft is smooth but produces a bit of drag after some use in a days play. I'm used to something much smoother since I reseal my own shafts. I might wipe those shafts down once every so many weeks, so once an hour with a cf shaft is way out of the norm for me. Heck I reseal Predator shafts straight out of the box because they're not to my liking. I also live in NC, so humidity is obviously a factor.

I did seal the shaft. My reasoning for this was that they use CA glue to seal cf parts, so I was sure a regular sealant would be fine. The result want to my liking. I used two coats and it seemed like I could've gone more, but stopped, tried it out and used an alcohol wipe to take it off. I also tried just waxing it and that was also not to my liking. My next option was wet sanding it to a polish going from 1500-7000. I haven't done this because it's the only option that truly makes me nervous.

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First let me clarify I said youíre coming off as an AH. Not that you are one. Sometimes voice tone, choices of words or timing can make one appear much different than intent.
Now reference to tip change most any manufacturer of a cue would recommend you place the tip that suit you the shooter and offer and expect such change. Shaft taper etc I know of none that recommend against it. But would not likely Warrantee it after such changes.

Back to carbon fiber shafts. Having shot CF arrows made by Eastern and then other manufacturers for over 10 years. I know they certainly can simi explode shatter create fragment strands that very easily penetrate the skin. They never like being twisted.
So your point is well made and supported by CFS failure that have shown up already though they appear few. And one reason I would not recommend breaking with one.
It could have been stressed with a break like SVB full table and flexed.

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The reason arrows don't like twist is that their fibers are all axial and parallel. Cf has virtually no compressive, or sheer strength.

Shafts made like the revo use multiple layers of Cf that are biased, so twist is a non factor in them.
  
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The reason arrows don't like twist is that their fibers are all axial and parallel. Cf has virtually no compressive, or sheer strength.

Shafts made like the revo use multiple layers of Cf that are biased, so twist is a non factor in them.
All true. My point was that yes when cf fails very fine splinters are produced. Very similar to working with fiber optics real pain once in to get out.
What likely will cause failure even on biased application is flexing if breaking as seen when wooden shafts are driven through to the table when breaking and the butt is lifted.
  
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People I will never help...

I told a guy he was wrong and shouldn't make up information, and I get flack for it. Bunch of winners you are.
May I asked if you have looked into recommendations and statements of the cf shaft manufacturers. Cuetec , Predator they state wipe alcohol As Dave relaid only. So information he gave wasn’t made up by him.
Becue is the only one to state black polish. Others are now in the market and I have not read their statements so can’t comment on theirs.

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I told a guy he was wrong and shouldn't make up information, and I get flack for it. Bunch of winners you are.
Ok expert...what part of my response to the OP was false???? You keep claiming I have made shit up and being a BS'er....but you haven't said what I made up. PLEASE enlighten me and everyone else as to what part of my advice was false/made up/ incorrect? To refresh your memory, here is my response to the OP who is an end user...not a manufacturer...
The only treatment you can/should do to a carbon fiber shaft it wipe them with an alcohol wipe and then let it dry. No sanding or sealers. Was it new or used? If used, someone may have already done something bad to it. If new, return it and they should replace it
That is based on the manufacturer's recommendations...you don't agree, then take that up with them on their site, not here.
Do you have any experience with CUE shafts made from CF as an end user?
Is your name Joe by chance?
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May I asked if you have looked into recommendations and statements of the cf shaft manufacturers. Cuetec , Predator they state wipe alcohol As Dave relaid only. So information he gave wasnít made up by him.
Becue is the only one to state black polish. Others are now in the market and I have not read their statements so canít comment on theirs.
Thanks for having my back and actually reading what was posted....greenies for you.
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