Do you like and respect us? I wonder because below you seemed to take a pretty big shot at us.
Have you been drinking? He simply gave his personal preferences. He didn't take any shots and even said he liked and respected JB Cases. Just that after considering design, aesthetics, and functionality, he felt that Whitten offered the best combination as a whole for him.
The pockets are nice. But do they do every type of pocket like we do? Our pockets are.....
I don't recall him saying they did but it seems you were grasping at straws for an excuse to try to plug the features of your product and bash a competitor as you did repeatedly throughout your post. Just as there are some things that are objectively and/or subjectively better about JB cases, there are things about Whitten cases that are objectively and/or subjectively better as well. There are clearly strong pros and cons to cases from either company which is why on net one reasonable person might prefer one and another reasonable person might prefer the other depending on which particular things they value most.
What construction method does Whitten do that is better than ours?
He mentioned the stitching, which you agreed were objectively and subjectively better, and he also mentioned preferring the individual lined tubes for each butt and shaft. The individual tubes are absolutely objectively better in a number of ways (and not as good in some others), and they are also subjectively better to many people (but not to others) as well. It just doesn't happen to be your personal preference according to the way you value the various pros and cons of the individual tubes which is clearly different than the way he values the various pros and cons of the individual tubes.
While he didn't mention them, there are plenty of other ways that Whitten cases are both objectively and subjectively better than JB cases too so don't play like there isn't (and again vice versa is also true). Both are good products each with their own pros and cons that will appeal to different people according to their personal preferences and needs.
I see in the picture that the pad is suede which was something Whitten didn't come up with. I did. I was the first to put suede on the shoulder pad to prevent the case from slipping.
And Whitten was the first for some of their things too. And you did and still do use lots of features that were first done by others. So what. And while it changed in later years, honestly you were less innovative than most for a long while.
I can only think of one case maker mentioned in this thread who has a workshop in China where his cases are HANDCRAFTED, BY HAND. Me. Just had to play the "China card" right?
There are lots of good reasons to buy something made in the USA over something made in China, and there are some good reasons to go the other way at times too. Again, it all depends on what each individual person values but to play like there aren't some really good reasons to buy American over Chinese, and lots of them, is being incredibly insincere.
I mean I get the nostalgia of buying from a single craftsman.
Yep, lots of people value that quite highly, and that could have been the only thing he was considering so why knock him?
But the implication is that somehow having a workshop in CHINA somehow means that our work is less is kind of the opposite of like and respect for our work.
I think it is reading into it a bit much to see that implication here. For him it could have only been about knowing exactly who was making his case and that it was only being made by a single craftsman.
On a side note, while it may or may not be the actual case here, the odds do in fact very clearly say that you are more likely to get a quality product from a single American craftsman with decades of experience whose name is on the company and whose livelihood directly depends on it than you would from a group of random paid Chinese workers with no personal stake and who likely have much less than decades of experience.
Someone else mentioned it's 18 months. But there is an option to pay for expedited service to move to the front of the line. We don't offer that. 12-16 weeks is our present estimated delivery time for most orders and we come in on time most of the time.
DJSTEVEZ mentioned that he has never heard of Whitten missing a deadline. I haven't either, but of course I don't know that it hasn't happened and would be seriously impressed if it never has. To be fair and paint a more accurate picture than you did above though, what I do know is that your company has quite a reputation (with tons of public accounts) of missing deadlines, often by very lengthy margins, as well as ignoring/missing/misplacing orders, along with inexcusably having some of the worst communication imaginable (including ignoring all communication from people about their orders for prolonged periods of time), all of which you've admitted to and don't dispute.
But one that does not protect as well as a JB Case.
Actually in some ways the Whitten with the individual pvc tubes protects better. For example, if your case was propped up against something and a fat guy fell on it, or if it were run over by a car, the added protection from the additional individual tubes in the Whitten would structurally be far superior it would seem.
But those things aren't very likely to happen you might say. You know what else isn't very likely to happen? Somebody accidentally or intentionally turning your case over upside down with the lid open to dump your cues. It may even be more likely to get stepped on or fallen on or run over than dumped upside down while open. To say yours protects better as a blanket statement is just incorrect. It protects better at some things, and not as well at others, and for that reason reasonable people could prefer one over the other according to their needs and preferences.
JB Cases are objectively user friendlier.
Also not true. They are much more of a pain to get your cues into and out of for many people as an example.
I agree that Joe is a wonderful human. Much better than me.
And that is an incredibly important criteria for many people when it comes to who they would like to give their business to.
If I were not making cases, and didn't know what I know now about cue protection then I would be quite happy to be privileged to own a Whitten cases.
Translation: only someone without much knowledge would buy a Whitten over my case. That simply isn't true though. They each have their very strong pros and cons, many of which having been mentioned in this thread, and each of the cases has more than their share of very knowledgeable people that prefer them as a result.
How I got here is by doing a google search on Whitten and this is the first AZB thread that comes up.
Were you just searching for a thread where you could try to bash one of your biggest competitors and/or shamelessly pitch your cases to try to get sales, or what was the purpose for that search? Just curious.
Whitten Cases are great cases. And I fully understand the enthusiasm shown in the well-crafted post by DJSTEVE. I just think that a few things were said that required some rebuttal and so I rebutted them.
I can't know your intent but due to your wording and the way you went about it it didn't come across that way, at least to me. It came across as you finding an excuse to be able to try to trash one of your competitors, and an excuse to advertise and shamelessly plug your own product with a thinly disguised long sales pitch to try to get some sales.
