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Yesterday, 05:15 PM

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I don't personally know anyone in your bar or even where your bar is freaking at. Your rules might work for your little circle jerk set of friends, but almost all here have disagreed with you. Again in small groups, almost anything can work even socialism . And yes, there is a possibility that your group would not "force" there stupid rules on others in a different bar, but I have seen many a fool step up to the bar table clueless about the proper rules and etiquette and try to change the rules to what there circle jerk friends do when they are alone.

Go to your little sh*t hole bar and play your little sh*t house rules and never visit anywhere else because you son are not a real pool player.
It's funny to hear you talking about proper etiquette, then reading your final sentence. If I wanted to, I could claim that you're in fact not a real pool player, as casual players who play by different house/bar rules actually outnumber "serious" players who stick only to standardized rules and play in pool halls, so my "kind" are in majority. But I'm not going to do that. You're certainly a better pool player than I am. And I honestly don't give a damn if you think I'm not a pool player at all, or that the bar where I play is a sh*thole. You're free to state your opinion. You've seen many idiotic players in bars so you're hostile, I get it. Though I will say once again that the behavior of people here during a game of pool is no different than that of pool hall players. What bothers me is that you still say these rules belong to a small circle of my friends, while they're in fact widespread in multiple countries, and that I know nothing about "proper pool", when I've actually played standardized international 8ball enough times to know what I'm talking about.

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My key point is that I would ban them if they did this on a BUSY night. If the action at the bar table was slow, who cares.

I would also ban anyone that plays any 8-ball game that lengthens the game time (once again, only on busy nights). For example: Call all shots, last pocket, bank the 8.

There's nothing more frustrating than watching two idiots try and bank the 8-ball for 30 minutes while you are waiting to play.
Those players still paid to enjoy their time at the table. The regulars in the bar would probably stop visiting if someone forced them to finish up their games as soon as possible. Yes, rarely the game around the 8 ball can last up to 20-30 minutes. Yes, people cheer when a player finally wins so they can get their turn at the table too. That doesn't mean that the crowd doesn't enjoy the spectacle of a drawn out fight. Best games I've both watched and played have lasted quite a while. When both sides pocket all their balls and are stuck on the 8, trying to outposition and outshoot each other, it's entertaining and exciting for the guests to watch, even when they have to wait for a time to play. In addition, on very busy nights players tend to pair up and play 2v2, so the games remain long and complex, but the wait time is much more acceptable.


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Yesterday, 06:37 PM

Well said, Push&Pool. While your bar rules don’t interest me, you are articulate in your opinions and respectful to others hostility. I respect that.
  
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I looked at your site, but it's incomplete as of now. Will you be writing about US bar rules or about variations from other parts of the world as well?
I did some updates to it last night. I would say it is directed at the US since the language includes US slang. I do have to do another language review anyways so maybe I'll clean it up more.

The object is to clarify the rules of the game in a way to provide the most income for the bar while still allowing the customers to enjoy the table while they are drinking.

I was thinking about making a special pro version mod for any unique ideas that might as the more experienced users here review and hopefully comment on it. Like something tricky or fun would be great.

And I need to add in some things to make it more fun for the staff and females.

And I need to read this whole thread over again and decide what to do about the banking the 8 drama. Maybe three turns and then anything goes.. idk, comments?

Thanks for checking it out.

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Today, 10:11 AM

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I did some updates to it last night. I would say it is directed at the US since the language includes US slang. I do have to do another language review anyways so maybe I'll clean it up more.

The object is to clarify the rules of the game in a way to provide the most income for the bar while still allowing the customers to enjoy the table while they are drinking.

I was thinking about making a special pro version mod for any unique ideas that might as the more experienced users here review and hopefully comment on it. Like something tricky or fun would be great.

And I need to add in some things to make it more fun for the staff and females.

And I need to read this whole thread over again and decide what to do about the banking the 8 drama. Maybe three turns and then anything goes.. idk, comments?

Thanks for checking it out.

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Well, I've never played bank the 8, we only have last pocket here. But I guess if your goal is to speed up the game at all costs in order to gather as much profit for the bar, then you should completely ban banking the 8. Because if you give players 3 shots and then anything goes, they'll just spend the last shot making a defensive move in order not to risk leaving the 8 wide open for the incoming player once banking stops being necessary.

Having said that, I can tell you from my considerable last pocket experience that those games may last longer, but are a lot more fun and complex for both the players and the watchers. There's an entire new dimensions of tactics and skills being open to the players once those rules are active. I can only imagine that banking the 8 provides somewhat similar experience. So if it were my bar, I would certainly allow either version (whichever were more popular in my area) to be played freely. The bar where I play most often has no shortage of pool players or customers in general, and it's always been last pocket, with "no BiH" and "CB on the headspot" in addition, which make the games last even longer.


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Today, 10:56 AM

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Well said, Push&Pool. While your bar rules don’t interest me, you are articulate in your opinions and respectful to others hostility. I respect that.
Yes PP all very well said and I’ve already said I admire your work here. Your piece of writing was the equivalent of a perfect turn-around take out shot. You knocked all balls to your side of the table and left none for your hapless opponent(s), you have 5 or 6 open shots from anywhere above the side pocket and 3 shots from anywhere below the side. The cue ball is nestled just so into the bare bones of a stack that is providing its last defensive coverage this rack and the other guys got nowhere to go. They’re pissed, steaming, possibly even flabbergasted.

But now you’re trying to hard, sinking into the persona and trying the “overly reasonable” approach. It’s no good for all involved. Soon you will find yourself posting regularly as P&P and you may even start playing by those rules...or even worse you may try to find someone else to play by them with you

The situation is still salvageable howmever. Radio silence for a period, update & upgrade, maybe visit Europe to find out some cultural curiosities or whatever about how they actually play and add that into your shtick for authenticity/dramatic effect.

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.. The cue ball is nestled just so into the bare bones of a stack that is providing its last defensive coverage this rack and the other guys got nowhere to go. They’re pissed, steaming, possibly even flabbergasted. ...
Suddenly, the opponent brightens up, remembering the special shot he's been practicing ever since he heard about it on AZB. He studies the rack carefully to find the exact line of attack. He chalks his cue with care, inspecting the smooth, blue layer minutely. He takes a measured five paces back along his line, much like a football kicker. He holds his stick at the ready in front. He takes one slow step forward and then faster, Faster, FASTER like a pole vaulter and with much the same stick position -- he charges the table -- the RAM SHOT. He hits the cue ball dead center and balls fly everywhere at 100 KPH. He gets six of them immediately into his pocket. He watches, a smile of satisfaction on his face as the last two balls in motion roll into the jaws of his pocket and lock in a lovely embrace, kiss for a couple of seconds and then drop out of sight together.

Of course this is all fantasy since P&P has never played one pocket and probably has no idea what either of our posts is about.


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a hell of a player though! - Today, 12:34 PM

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Go to your little sh*t hole bar and play your little sh*t house rules and never visit anywhere else because you son are not a real pool player.


He may not be a pool player but he is a hell of a player having played this forum for almost a hundred posts in this one thread. He is now getting into having to make up stuff as he goes though which puts me in flashback mode.

I never did too much traveling to play pool, a few states and maybe a week or so give or take a few days. Aside from that, I played pool wherever other traveling brought me. Generally I found that along the gulf coast as far as I went the rules stayed much the same, maybe one or two additions or subtractions from the rule book. Traveling north or northeast the rules tended to get stranger and stranger.

The one rule change per rack Bob mentioned was pretty common too. Playing for small cash I generally bided my time. Soon at least a small group gathered around the table. "Lookit ol' Lefty putting one over on the stranger" with much snickering behind hands.

I would wait until "Lefty" forgot one of his rules he was making up on the spot when he was down on a critical shot. Then I would remind him and the crowd of his own rule. Generally there was at least a joker or two that would back me. Nothing funnier than busting somebody with their own rules!

While a hand written sign on the wall sometimes documented one local bar rule, I did once find a professionally painted sign on a bar room wall fully documenting the local weirdness. I longed for a camera in those days before cell phones to document the silliness of that sign. Those house rules were weird and apparently fully endorsed by the owner!

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