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Wink Trouble with extreme right or left English... - 09-23-2019, 09:56 PM

Just wanted to bring up a very interesting point on the forum.. Almost all players have trouble getting right English or left English. Does anyone on here understand why? One way feels pretty comfortable but the other way just feels a little uncomfortable. . Please do not reply to this without first getting on the table and feeling this for yourself. Plus, one way you will get plenty of English but the other way you won't be getting hardly any but feel you are until you raise up your head and actually see where the cue tip is. Let's see what we come up with as the reason for this??????


I will share the answer in a few days. Someone might have the right answer but probably not. It's pretty tough to know why this happens.
  
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09-23-2019, 10:00 PM

If a player has ocular vision and shoots with only one eye they might not have this trouble. Just wanted to make a note. That is only about 2 to 5 % pf all players.
  
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09-23-2019, 10:38 PM

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If a player has ocular vision and shoots with only one eye they might not have this trouble. Just wanted to make a note. That is only about 2 to 5 % pf all players.
So does it have something to do with the eyes crossing at some point?
  
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no. - 09-23-2019, 10:42 PM

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So does it have something to do with the eyes crossing at some point?
Did you notice the trouble?
  
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eyes(grin) - 09-23-2019, 11:17 PM

Gene,

I suspect you are fishing for eyes but the truth is that anyone that uses backhand english has two issues. One is the strange perspective when the tip is outside of whatever you want to call your viewing plane, somewhere between your two eyes or down the line from your master eye to the target if you are extremely strong eye dominant. The tip and the point you are hitting on the cue ball are kinda out there in no-mans land.

The other thing is that your hands and whole body can get a bit contorted trying to bend around the cue stick. Angling the stick enough to get maximum side spin to that side can be awkward from a purely physical standpoint.

All of these issues go away or are minimized to the point they aren't noticeable by the simple expedient of using parallel side, moving the front and back of your stick over an equal amount. I have experimented a bit with front hand english too. Not enough to always plant my bridge properly after making a shift in the air but I find that front hand english is probably superior to backhand english because you don't angle the stick nearly as much.

Front hand english has the same flaw as back hand english of moving the tip out in no-mans land but seemingly not as far. If I had better table access I would spend more time with it.

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09-24-2019, 03:03 AM

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Almost all players have trouble getting right English or left English. Does anyone on here understand why? One way feels pretty comfortable but the other way just feels a little uncomfortable.
I honest to god have no idea what you're talking about. I tried about 20 different shots in as many situations as I could come up with, and extreme right and extreme left seem identical to me in every way.
  
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09-24-2019, 04:48 AM

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All of these issues go away or are minimized to the point they aren't noticeable by the simple expedient of using parallel side, moving the front and back of your stick over an equal amount.
How does that correct for squirt?

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??????????????????????????????? - 09-24-2019, 05:58 AM

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How does that correct for squirt?

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You either need more coffee or less of what you partook of last night. I mentioned several issues, none of which was squirt. To save you further confusion I am pasting my first post in this thread below.

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Gene,

I suspect you are fishing for eyes but the truth is that anyone that uses backhand english has two issues. One is the strange perspective when the tip is outside of whatever you want to call your viewing plane, somewhere between your two eyes or down the line from your master eye to the target if you are extremely strong eye dominant. The tip and the point you are hitting on the cue ball are kinda out there in no-mans land.

The other thing is that your hands and whole body can get a bit contorted trying to bend around the cue stick. Angling the stick enough to get maximum side spin to that side can be awkward from a purely physical standpoint.

All of these issues go away or are minimized to the point they aren't noticeable by the simple expedient of using parallel side, moving the front and back of your stick over an equal amount. I have experimented a bit with front hand english too. Not enough to always plant my bridge properly after making a shift in the air but I find that front hand english is probably superior to backhand english because you don't angle the stick nearly as much.

Front hand english has the same flaw as back hand english of moving the tip out in no-mans land but seemingly not as far. If I had better table access I would spend more time with it.

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09-24-2019, 06:43 AM

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I mentioned several issues, none of which was squirt.
But what you suggest ("using parallel side, moving the front and back of your stick over an equal amount") will miss most shots because of squirt. What am I misunderstanding?

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Oh boy, here we go again.
  
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09-24-2019, 07:22 AM

I prefer Fresca but an occasional Squirt is acceptable.


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threads - 09-24-2019, 07:25 AM

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But what you suggest ("using parallel side, moving the front and back of your stick over an equal amount") will miss most shots because of squirt. What am I misunderstanding?

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pj,

You are misunderstanding that every thread isn't about squirt. You are flat wrong about squirt too but that is a matter for another thread, you know, one about squirt! This thread is Gene's coy way to start a thread concerning his beliefs about eyes.

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09-24-2019, 07:42 AM

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But what you suggest ("using parallel side, moving the front and back of your stick over an equal amount") will miss most shots because of squirt. What am I misunderstanding?

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Nobody mentioned squirt or missing a shot.


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If a player has ocular vision and shoots with only one eye they might not have this trouble. Just wanted to make a note. That is only about 2 to 5 % pf all players.
I was about to say I've never noticed a difference at all. Then you say this. I am blind in one eye.


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09-24-2019, 07:58 AM

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You are misunderstanding that every thread isn't about squirt.
Squirt comes into it when you propose a side spin technique ("parallel" english) that won't work because of squirt.

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