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02-20-2015, 10:20 AM

Correct me if I am wrong on this one, but I have some ideas you may not have tried as of yet.

George used only full splice blanks?

If so then the only way to get the ring patten before the wrap would be with the use of a knurling tool.

The lure makers use a lot of different resins, epoxies that can be colored. They have been doing it for years, goes back a long way. If the spot for the ring was cut out/recessed and filled in with one color of epoxy/resin that had the upper color in it and let dry.

Sand down to size, and use a thin, straight knurling tool on the epoxy area. This would leave the top color on the cue with the knurling deeper.

Then just fill the knurling slots with the second color and sand down to size. This would not be that hard and the rings could be made out of any color.

I don't have access to my lathes at this time, if I did I could make a video of what I am trying to discuss here. But I think this would be very easy to do with the right knurling tool.

Let me know what you think.

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02-20-2015, 10:25 AM

I guess the rings could also be made off the cue and split, allowing them to be put on above the wrap. The knurling could also be used to hide the gap/ glue line in the ring.

I have access to all sorts of different resins, colors over here. There are a lot of people that make there own lures.

Would have to run some tests on some house cues to see if this works.

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w.b. bands - 02-20-2015, 10:28 AM

Josh, I was referring to the width of the band along the cue length.

There is a recurring pattern of 4 diagonal lines that cut across the black vertical lines
  
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02-20-2015, 11:42 AM

George used short and full splice blanks. I have yet to see an x-ray of a full splice with an a-joint trim ring. If there is a ring above the wrap, it has always been in a shortie.

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02-20-2015, 12:15 PM

From the close up pictures of the red and green ring. It looks like there is a split in the ring on the one picture. There rings could have been made in a billet, then split to install them.

If someone has a peice of pearlescent rod and a knurling tool, they might be able to test the making of these rings pretty quick.

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02-20-2015, 12:19 PM

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that the material doesn't and never did exist in the form in which it appears on the cue. The diagonal crossed lines are indicative of what was possibly a woven material that has been removed. Ironically removing that horizontal stranding would certainly help with not having to align a seam on the others side. Possibly a case of accidental/convenient cool design
  
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02-20-2015, 05:08 PM

This was more flexible sheet, not rod.

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01-19-2019, 06:36 PM

I am with you. who has a solution?

As an aside, I took a wooden dowel of the correct diameter and used a panto graph to cut .020 slots in it. I think I cut them .030 deep. I then used gold foil to cover the entire ring after it was parted from the dowel. I used a needle to press the foil into the slots.

It is not perfect but looks pretty decent. I think if the slots were dyed with a magic marker, then the foil installed. it would be much easier to see where you need to add a little more foil. The gold on maple can be seen but if the area was black, it would be easier to spot voids.

I also tried a knurling tool on brass but was not happy with the results.

I contacted several ribbon companies and sent pictures of the bands to see if they had or could manufacture something similar. Problem there is they want a substantial order before proving prototype samples.

The color changing bands are still a big puzzle to everyone.

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01-20-2019, 01:24 PM

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George used short and full splice blanks. I have yet to see an x-ray of a full splice with an a-joint trim ring. If there is a ring above the wrap, it has always been in a shortie.

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At least one exsits. I think it was Pete that told me the story of a cue George made for someone that insisted the full splice cue to stay in tact but still have an indexed ring above the wrap. George built a two piece split ring where the seams were undetectable.

That said the glitter bands were obviously able to be used on full splice forearms.


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06-06-2019, 08:44 AM

My vote would be for a colored metal foil wrapping of some kind.
The picture posted, to me, shows a straight edged joining seam. Where the red arrow is shown below.



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06-06-2019, 02:47 PM

On higher end balsa fishing lures, they often foil baits. Usually making a scale pattern with the end of a socket wrench or other handy tool. Not really sure that is helpful, but something to consider that he took a foil material and added the pattern.


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06-06-2019, 03:22 PM

I hate to blow up everyone’s bubble but when I last visited George he told me the rings were from candy wrappers the he got from the store just down the block from his house.

I think he was telling me the truth. That would explain the seam.

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06-06-2019, 06:18 PM

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I hate to blow up everyone’s bubble but when I last visited George he told me the rings were from candy wrappers the he got from the store just down the block from his house.

I think he was telling me the truth. That would explain the seam.

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Having seen a sample strip of this material, I can say that's impossible. It's a thicker material than foil. At least 2mm thick plastic


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06-06-2019, 09:49 PM

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Having seen a sample strip of this material, I can say that's impossible. It's a thicker material than foil. At least 2mm thick plastic
I have pics of it as well and I think the only way it could have been from a thin candy wrapper is if it was then covered in flexible clear plastic then backed.

Many have searched for the answer and the closest I've heard was that someone who was in manufacturing at the time was shown the material and were pretty confident they knew the machinery it was manufactured with. Unfortunately they said those machines were decommissioned and scraped many years ago. I dont remember if they said they knew what the material was manufactured for though.


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