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Old shaft wood vs. New shaft wood - 06-01-2019, 03:08 PM

I would like to here what the cue makers think about using OLD house cues cutting them in half and just saving the front half assuming the shaft is dead straight. Would that make a good shaft if reworked compared to New hard rock maple OR is the old wood maybe not as good as new wood. I figure since the wood is so old and straight it is very stable thus now worries about it warping. Also how would you know a good prospect from a not so good prospect assuming any one piece cue has usable wood?
  
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06-01-2019, 05:46 PM

Some old house cues can be used to make shafts. Some make very good hitting shafts. And many cue makers will use them to make conversions (sneaky pete) especially old burnswicks.


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Shaft wood - 06-01-2019, 06:36 PM

Straightness, cleanness, direction of grain same as any other shaft wood except more than likely darker color.

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06-01-2019, 08:55 PM

Not worth the time imo.
First of all, those were turned to size really fast by factories .
I've never seen one that was straight.
They also have a steep taper.

New shaft in my shop takes 5 years before it gets out anyway.
I have hundreds at 13.25mm to 14mm now.
And the main thing is, I chose where their center holes are .

If you chop a house cue for shaft, you're like have no room to offset the piece to get to it's true center. At the factory, they just turn them from square to round then taper with no regard for grain orientation.


  
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06-01-2019, 09:22 PM

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Not worth the time imo.
First of all, those were turned to size really fast by factories .
I've never seen one that was straight.
They also have a steep taper.

New shaft in my shop takes 5 years before it gets out anyway.
I have hundreds at 13.25mm to 14mm now.
And the main thing is, I chose where their center holes are .

If you chop a house cue for shaft, you're like have no room to offset the piece to get to it's true center. At the factory, they just turn them from square to round then taper with no regard for grain orientation.
The older Brunswick cues really nailed the grain orientation


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06-02-2019, 05:27 PM

I've done quite a few of them. Almost all have turned out very nicely. They've almost all been out of pretty old Valley or Dufferin house cues. I've done a few that customers brought me that were really old, like 70 years.


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06-02-2019, 05:30 PM

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And the main thing is, I chose where their center holes are .
Wouldn't that require really large squares or dowels? On a 1 inch dowel, you can probably only change the angle of the grain along the shaft a couple degrees.


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06-02-2019, 07:46 PM

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Wouldn't that require really large squares or dowels? On a 1 inch dowel, you can probably only change the angle of the grain along the shaft a couple degrees.
I get mine at 1 1/16.
There's plenty to work with at 5/8 ends.
I don't bother with .950-.750 cones anymore.

At 5/8 ends, you can get rid of a lot of "bad guys".


  
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06-04-2019, 10:35 AM

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I get mine at 1 1/16.
There's plenty to work with at 5/8 ends.
I don't bother with .950-.750 cones anymore.

At 5/8 ends, you can get rid of a lot of "bad guys".
So you start cutting your taper in from the jump?

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06-04-2019, 12:26 PM

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So you start cutting your taper in from the jump?

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Yes.
If I cone to .750, I'd have less offset room.
Coning is a waste of time imo.
I know some people already doing the same thing and have not gone back to coning to .750.


  
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06-05-2019, 05:26 AM

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Yes.
If I cone to .750, I'd have less offset room.
Coning is a waste of time imo.
I know some people already doing the same thing and have not gone back to coning to .750.
Agreed, coning is a waste of time.

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06-05-2019, 08:04 PM

Funny but true story. In 2005 I placed a 6 cue order with a cuemaker and I went to his shop to look at his shaft blanks. His wood was from the "kind regards" Florida fellow who was then in Las Vegas. The shaftwood was horrible with runout, sugar streaks and brown. I was just learning about maple shaftwood then but I knew what straight grain and clear meant. The cuemaker agreed to provide an allowance for better shafts if I could find them.

I took a drive to our local Valley distributor and picked out about 18 Valley Supremes (Texas made) out of maybe 100 that were in a barrel. They were about $8 each. The shafts that were used were decent or better and stayed straight. I laugh now as I think about it. Hehe. For the next order, I called Pechauer cues and bought blanks a few turns from finish for $25 each. They were really nice. Hat's off to the Pechauer guys.
  
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Funny but true story. In 2005 I placed a 6 cue order with a cuemaker and I went to his shop to look at his shaft blanks. His wood was from the "kind regards" Florida fellow who was then in Las Vegas. The shaftwood was horrible with runout, sugar streaks and brown. I was just learning about maple shaftwood then but I knew what straight grain and clear meant. The cuemaker agreed to provide an allowance for better shafts if I could find them.



I took a drive to our local Valley distributor and picked out about 18 Valley Supremes (Texas made) out of maybe 100 that were in a barrel. They were about $8 each. The shafts that were used were decent or better and stayed straight. I laugh now as I think about it. Hehe. For the next order, I called Pechauer cues and bought blanks a few turns from finish for $25 each. They were really nice. Hat's off to the Pechauer guys.


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06-06-2019, 04:57 AM

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Perhaps you could elaborate on that?

I have worked with wood in many ways, the word clear is a word that is standard thru out all industries that use wood.

From the logger, log truck driver, sawyer, grader, seller, engineer and end user, the word clear is a standardized word to all of these people.

Again, maybe the word means something different to you, enlighten us, Thanks.


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06-06-2019, 09:06 AM

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Perhaps you could elaborate on that?

I have worked with wood in many ways, the word clear is a word that is standard thru out all industries that use wood.

From the logger, log truck driver, sawyer, grader, seller, engineer and end user, the word clear is a standardized word to all of these people.

Again, maybe the word means something different to you, enlighten us, Thanks.
Maybe he means sugar? I've seen some awfully nice shafts with a sugar mark or two.

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