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05-12-2016, 11:37 AM

Over 4700 views in four days on a thread simply entitled Earl.Strickland. That should tell you something. I saw Earl at his peak and he was awesome. I officiated at many of his greatest triumphs and there was little hint of any bad behavior or poor sportsmanship. He was too busy running racks and playing great pool. For me it's sad to see what he's become and how he's tainted his legacy among the all time greats.


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05-12-2016, 11:44 AM

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fact is the room is still filled with people watching earl.....even when alex, corey, etc are playing in the same room.
often when earl is at an event with many other players he does attract a lot of spectators.
Some for his talent & some to see him implode when things don't go his way.
However, earl does not attract a lot of spectators when he is in a stand alone match.
I counted the attendees this past weekend when he played darren.
Less than 60 on friday night
less than 75 on saturday night.
Less than 30 on sunday night.
Each night, many of the few that did attend left long before it was over.
By the time it was down to the last game on sunday at around 8:30 there weren't even 20 people there.
I had heard, so i cannot say for a fact that there were about 600 pay per view viewers.

this is a shame.

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05-12-2016, 12:02 PM

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Over 4700 views in four days on a thread simply entitled Earl.Strickland. That should tell you something. I saw Earl at his peak and he was awesome. I officiated at many of his greatest triumphs and there was little hint of any bad behavior or poor sportsmanship. He was too busy running racks and playing great pool. For me it's sad to see what he's become and how he's tainted his legacy among the all time greats.
I believe the reason people are so passionate about this subject lies in what could be not in what is. The man is capable of doing things on a consistent basis things others only dare to dream about. Knowing that he is still physically capable of doing it but knowing that he is holding himself back is hard to watch at times.
  
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05-12-2016, 12:40 PM

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... By the time it was down to the last game on sunday at around 8:30 there weren't even 20 people there. ...
Actually, the match ended a bit before 7:30 pm. So, as I think you imply, it certainly wasn't late hours that kept people from watching.

Edit -- and the ending times were about 10:15 on Friday and 11:00 pm on Saturday.
  
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often when earl is at an event with many other players he does attract a lot of spectators.
Some for his talent & some to see him implode when things don't go his way.
However, earl does not attract a lot of spectators when he is in a stand alone match.
I counted the attendees this past weekend when he played darren.
Less than 60 on friday night
less than 75 on saturday night.
Less than 30 on sunday night.
Each night, many of the few that did attend left long before it was over.
By the time it was down to the last game on sunday at around 8:30 there weren't even 20 people there.
I had heard, so i cannot say for a fact that there were about 600 pay per view viewers.

this is a shame.

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I look for Earl's name on the bracket first. Always have, no matter how well he is or usnt playing. He is entertaining. Running racks or running his mouth; he is entertaining.
  
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05-12-2016, 03:19 PM

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I certainly am capable of empathy. Where earl goes is beyond quirky or misunderstood. I can understand your point of trying to see it from his perspective,I just can't come up with a justifiable reason to behave as such. Your wife's cousin, though misunderstood by your wife, probably wasn't running around acting like a total doucher, just saying.
Actually she does act very much like a doucher sometimes & that is what gets to them... but knowing what I learned they now have a better understanding. Besides a very hard life, some of which they knew, she is also bipolar & getting meds to work right at the right times is a challenge unto itself & the hard life makes matters worse. I may as well say that it was rape by a step 'father' & multiple suicide attempts of which they did not know.

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05-12-2016, 04:04 PM

Earl is still a great player if he can only keep it together but something always flies off the shelf unbelievable.
  
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05-12-2016, 04:24 PM

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i look for earl's name on the bracket first. Always have, no matter how well he is or usnt playing. He is entertaining. Running racks or running his mouth; he is entertaining.
sure it's entertainin for a while at an event when you can walk away after a little while.
But i can tell you from experience it gets really old when you have to listen to it for hours on end for several days.

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sure it's entertainin for a while at an event when you can walk away after a little while.
But i can tell you from experience it gets really old when you have to listen to it for hours on end for several days.

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05-12-2016, 07:33 PM

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the problem isn't earl. The problem is having an event that tries to keep people's attention for hours and hours on end for several days.
are you serious?
I go to every pool event that a can.
When two great players match up even for long sets, i have no problem wtching the entire thing.
Without the childish drama it's much more enjoyable though.

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are you serious?
I go to every pool event that a can.
When two great players match up even for long sets, i have no problem wtching the entire thing.
Without the childish drama it's much more enjoyable though.

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Yep I'm serious. The NBA wouldn't even be able to keep a crowd for a game that lasted hours on end for several days. What was it, like 5 hrs a day, 3 days in a row? The NBA playoffs don't put on games for 5 hrs a day and they even have way more entertainment to keep a live crowd happy. And did I mention that the fans are allowed to have way more fun when they attend an NBA game? Yes, I'm serious. Earl is not the problem. Expecting lots of fans to watch the match for 5 hrs (maybe more) a night is the problem.

Btw, If Im not mistaken you stayed for all of the Earl match too right?

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Yep I'm serious. The NBA wouldn't even be able to keep a crowd for a game that lasted hours on end for several days. What was it, like 5 hrs a day, 3 days in a row? The NBA playoffs don't put on games for 5 hrs a day and they even have way more entertainment to keep a live crowd happy. And did I mention that the fans are allowed to have way more fun when they attend an NBA game? Yes, I'm serious. Earl is not the problem. Expecting lots of fans to watch the match for 5 hrs (maybe more) a night is the problem.

Btw, If Im not mistaken you stayed for all of the Earl match too right?

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The problem isn't Earl. The problem is having an event that tries to keep people's attention for hours and hours on end for several days.
Snooker seems to manage it.

Pool used to manage it Some of the greatest matches in history took place over weeks in multiple venues. Mosconi met Caras in a match that lasted two months and took place in 10 cities. There once was a 32 man round robin for the world championship in which each player played each other player 32 times!! Took 6 months. (and, by the way, a lot more people watched all of these matches than if you added the live audience plus the PPV audience of almost any modern pool match).

Pool hasn't always been the way it is and it doesn't have to be the way it is. But it is.

But I agree with you that the problem isn't Earl. The problem is that pool has never overcome its sleazy roots, which I don't think has anything at all to do with Earl. Look at the two biggest pool booms in recent memory - each built on a movie that associates some of the worst human traits intimately with pool. So we get a little boom because it appeals to our inner bad boy, but since it turns out that the game is hard, most of the boom peters out because it was build on a corrupt foundation - wannabe hustlers, not people entranced by the game itself. And so it goes - until the next movie and the next cohort of wannabes.
  
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Snooker seems to manage it.

Pool used to manage it Some of the greatest matches in history took place over weeks in multiple venues. Mosconi met Caras in a match that lasted two months and took place in 10 cities. There once was a 32 man round robin for the world championship in which each player played each other player 32 times!! Took 6 months. (and, by the way, a lot more people watched all of these matches than if you added the live audience plus the PPV audience of almost any modern pool match).

Pool hasn't always been the way it is and it doesn't have to be the way it is. But it is.

But I agree with you that the problem isn't Earl. The problem is that pool has never overcome its sleazy roots, which I don't think has anything at all to do with Earl. Look at the two biggest pool booms in recent memory - each built on a movie that associates some of the worst human traits intimately with pool. So we get a little boom because it appeals to our inner bad boy, but since it turns out that the game is hard, most of the boom peters out because it was build on a corrupt foundation - wannabe hustlers, not people entranced by the game itself. And so it goes - until the next movie and the next cohort of wannabes.
I don't know much about snooker. If snooker fans stand or sit and watch a match for 5 or more hours straight then they are lunatics imo. Just kidding of course but I will say that from what I have seen of snooker they have some great promoters behind them. Lots of media connections with professionally produced shows and entertainment to keep fans excited and entertained well beyond when some event ends and before the next one begins. Tell me because I don't know... would Earl be a superstar if he were a snooker player getting that kind of media coverage? Had he not already made his mark on Europe through his Mosconi Cup appearances, and had he been born and raised a snooker star I would have to think he would be in the news damn near daily with tons of fans that love him and a ton also who don't, and they would be talking all about it. I would imagine the media and the promoters would love the attention he just naturally brings though.

As to your point about a 32 man round robin... I have said before that shorter events that tie together are much better than one off events. Leave the audience wanting more. You said Caras/Mosconi covered 10 cities? That is much better than trying to fit their event into one city, playing hours at a time ____ days in a row, with the same limited number of fans in that city as your target market.


Shorter events, better advertisement, let the fans have fun at the events, leave the fans wanting more at the end of the day, the days event shouldn't be monotonous either... same two players playing race to nine 10 ball for hours and hours. The Mosconi cup is the best event pool has and it has been for a while.

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05-13-2016, 12:13 AM

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I look for Earl's name on the bracket first. Always have, no matter how well he is or usnt playing. He is entertaining. Running racks or running his mouth; he is entertaining.
To you Americans maybe - we Europeans don't like this kind of "entertainment" at all.
We think it's appalling and embarrasing and we get "douche chills" for him.
You can and should have emotions, but don't go blasting around.

I'd thrown him out with his 3rd hissy fit.

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Of course. But you'll see a lot of them writing "he needs to stop" or "back in the day".
Or simply see a very good doctor.

All true. He WAS until 2000 or so.

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