Superstroke
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Interesting issue came up ther other night in conversation and some people WENT OFF!
Would there be as much animosity from people, and dislike for the UPA and Charlie Williams, if he wasn't a player? ASIDE from the whole UPA Scheduling and sanctioning issues.
Let me explain.
I know tons of serious pool players. One factor that is pretty consistent, is that not one of them would be willing to let ANOTHER pool player tell them what to do. Where and when to play is always THEIR decision. It's an ego thing.
Only time i see exceptions, is if someone else puts up cash, and they are the horse.
Who owns the WPBA?
Imagine if you will, if it was a PLAYER. Not Allison Fisher, but some second rate player.
Imagine if that player got to pick their own friends, and form a little club that disciminated against other more talented players, like some drama playing out from high school.
I'm sure the some women would be pissed. Especially if the "clique" and their organization were commited to promoting the clique's agenda and handing out favors to the group of friends when it comes to selecting people for certain events.
I think that that is at least part of the problem that i see with the UPA.
If the UPA were an organization where the people who owned it were stickly business people, then i don't think that their would be as much controversy.
The fact that a pool player owns it, is i think, what might be a part of the problem.
If Charlie DIDN'T play, or didn't benefit as a POOL PLAYER from his organization, then i think that the majority of the people wouldn't have a problem with it. He has in fact become, a pool player that can tell other pool players what they can and cannot do. Which i'm sure rubs tons of people the wrong way. Especially with how he approaches things.
Just like the whole sanctioning issue. Who wants to put in money to promote an event, just to sanction it, and have the UPA come in and set up their own rules and guidlines, and basically take over. If i were a promoter, i'd tell them to drop dead, and i'm sure that this is the reason certain regional tours have always told the UPA....NO! Why take a good thing, and risk messing it up.
Take a look at Hopkins. When he promotes, he is just that, a promoter. I don't see him entering himself in the tournament to play. He just runs it.
When he decides to play, then he's a player, but i rarely have seen him do both.
Where Charlie, not only promotes the tournament, but he plays in them as well.
Isn't this a sort of conflict of interest? (if your thinking Zuglan or Kennedy, it's not the same thing)
Imagine being in a match with him, and getting in a confrontation. (foul or the rack or something) Wouldn't you wonder if that somehow was gonna cost you in the long run? Like if for some reason, you were discriminated against in the selection process or something.
Are there elections for the UPA board like the WPBA??? Or are they just hand picked from his friends? If they are hand picked, how can that possibly serve the interests of the players, if the players didn't elect them.
I'm just wondering if Charlie Williams was NEVER a pool player, and was devoting his time and energy fully to being a promoter, would people still have the same feelings about his organizations.
I mean...we all know that the presidency of the UPA and Dragon Promotions not being him anymore is a joke to all of us.
He still has control of those organizations despite what people might want us to think. I'm sure that if he wanted it, those presidents are his puppets if the desire is there.
opinions please
Just wondering if others are rubbed the wrong way by this.
Superstroke
Would there be as much animosity from people, and dislike for the UPA and Charlie Williams, if he wasn't a player? ASIDE from the whole UPA Scheduling and sanctioning issues.
Let me explain.
I know tons of serious pool players. One factor that is pretty consistent, is that not one of them would be willing to let ANOTHER pool player tell them what to do. Where and when to play is always THEIR decision. It's an ego thing.
Only time i see exceptions, is if someone else puts up cash, and they are the horse.
Who owns the WPBA?
Imagine if you will, if it was a PLAYER. Not Allison Fisher, but some second rate player.
Imagine if that player got to pick their own friends, and form a little club that disciminated against other more talented players, like some drama playing out from high school.
I'm sure the some women would be pissed. Especially if the "clique" and their organization were commited to promoting the clique's agenda and handing out favors to the group of friends when it comes to selecting people for certain events.
I think that that is at least part of the problem that i see with the UPA.
If the UPA were an organization where the people who owned it were stickly business people, then i don't think that their would be as much controversy.
The fact that a pool player owns it, is i think, what might be a part of the problem.
If Charlie DIDN'T play, or didn't benefit as a POOL PLAYER from his organization, then i think that the majority of the people wouldn't have a problem with it. He has in fact become, a pool player that can tell other pool players what they can and cannot do. Which i'm sure rubs tons of people the wrong way. Especially with how he approaches things.
Just like the whole sanctioning issue. Who wants to put in money to promote an event, just to sanction it, and have the UPA come in and set up their own rules and guidlines, and basically take over. If i were a promoter, i'd tell them to drop dead, and i'm sure that this is the reason certain regional tours have always told the UPA....NO! Why take a good thing, and risk messing it up.
Take a look at Hopkins. When he promotes, he is just that, a promoter. I don't see him entering himself in the tournament to play. He just runs it.
When he decides to play, then he's a player, but i rarely have seen him do both.
Where Charlie, not only promotes the tournament, but he plays in them as well.
Isn't this a sort of conflict of interest? (if your thinking Zuglan or Kennedy, it's not the same thing)
Imagine being in a match with him, and getting in a confrontation. (foul or the rack or something) Wouldn't you wonder if that somehow was gonna cost you in the long run? Like if for some reason, you were discriminated against in the selection process or something.
Are there elections for the UPA board like the WPBA??? Or are they just hand picked from his friends? If they are hand picked, how can that possibly serve the interests of the players, if the players didn't elect them.
I'm just wondering if Charlie Williams was NEVER a pool player, and was devoting his time and energy fully to being a promoter, would people still have the same feelings about his organizations.
I mean...we all know that the presidency of the UPA and Dragon Promotions not being him anymore is a joke to all of us.
He still has control of those organizations despite what people might want us to think. I'm sure that if he wanted it, those presidents are his puppets if the desire is there.
opinions please
Just wondering if others are rubbed the wrong way by this.
Superstroke
